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    Register Report for Scannells from Douglas

    Generation 1

    1.                  Scannells from Douglas-1.

    Notes for Scannells from Douglas:  General Notes:

    This is a placeholder for the relationship between these three Scannell branches.  This makes,   Denis, WM and Michael look like brothers but I am not sure of the relationship.

    THe 1659 Pender's Census (Seamus Pender) has 6 Scannells living in Aglish Parish (barony of  Maguinihy MAQUINIHY).  Also it has 6 Irish people living in Duglassy (Douglas) in Killorglin Parish  (barony of Trughanac).  I have not been able to figure out the names of the 6 individuals just the  totals.  It is not in the Casey Collection.  The Church of LDS has the Census book.  I have teh  REport on the Census.  Also this website shows some of the data:  The Church of LDS Census  book did not have any additional information.  http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~irlker/census16b.html

    KILORGLIN PARRISH  Duglassy  6  6


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    Register Report for Scannells from Douglas

    Generation 1 (con't)

    1.

    Scannells from Douglas and unknown spouse. They had 3 children.

    2.

    i.

    Denis Scannell. He died Bef. 1853.

    3.

    ii.

    William Scannell.

    4.

    iii.

    Andreas Scannell. He was born Abt. 1775 in Douglas?.

    Generation 2

    2.                  Denis Scannell-2 (Scannells from Douglas-1). He died Bef. 1853.

    Notes for Denis Scannell:  General Notes:

    Land owner in 1834.  He had a son Andrew which could be the land owner in 1853.  The  timeframe works.

    Ellena Sullivan. She died Bet. 1863–1879.

    Notes for Ellena Sullivan:  General Notes:

    This could be the Ellen as the  land owner in 1853 6g.  This would mean that Denis had died  between 1834 and 1853 and Ellen was in the house on 6g.  Their child Andrew woudl stay  in 3f.

    Land Records Chronological:  1853

    6g Ellen Scannell (House only)

    1858 slight renumbering for lots 6.  James Cahalane (took over for William Clifford?) on land was  not given a letter

    6f Ellen Scannell (was 6g)

    1860 -1863

    6f Ellen Scannell but owner now Jeremiah Scannell (houses)

    1863- 1879

    6f - Ellen Scannell -gone - looks like house is gone. same with 6e.  Doesn't say what year.


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    Register Report for Scannells from Douglas

    Generation 2 (con't)

    Denis Scannell and Ellena Sullivan. They had 3 children.

    5.                   i.        Andrew Scannell. He was born on 10 Aug 1801. He married Joanna Sullivan.  They were married on 15 Apr 1828 in Killorglin. He died Abt. 1880 in Douglas.

    ii.                  Joanna Scannell. She was born on 26 Oct 1799.

    Notes for Joanna Scannell:  General Notes:  Church Records

    iii.                 Mary Scannell. She was born 1791 in Killarney (Family Search).

    Notes for Mary Scannell:  General Notes:  Family Search.

    3.                  William Scannell-2 (Scannells from Douglas-1).

    Notes for William Scannell:  General Notes:

    Best Guess here is William because the other land owners in 1834, Mike and Denis, are better fits  elsewhere.  He would be on Lot 3B Land Records

    x?.

    William Scannell and x?. They had 1 child.

    6.                   i.        Denis Scannell. He was born Abt. 1814 in Douglas. He married Ellen Riordan.  They were married on 18 Feb 1849 in St. James Church. He died Abt. 1907 in Off  land records.

    4.                  Andreas Scannell-2 (Scannells from Douglas-1). He was born Abt. 1775 in Douglas?.

    Notes for Andreas Scannell:  General Notes:

    Marriage and Maria's birth from St. James Parish records.

    Juliana Teahan.

    Andreas Scannell and Juliana Teahan. They had 2 children.

    i.                    Maria Scannell. She was born on 08 May 1799 in Duglas.

    7.                  ii.       Michael Scannell. He was born Abt. 1790 in Douglas?. He died Bef. 1853.

    Generation 3


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    Register Report for Scannells from Douglas

    Generation 3 (con't)

    5.                  Andrew Scannell-3 (Denis Scannell-2, Scannells from Douglas-1). He was born on 10 Aug 1801.  He died Abt. 1880 in Douglas.

    Notes for Andrew Scannell:  General Notes:

    There was an Andrew who was a landowner in 1853.  Andrew married Sullivan had a Denis.  There was a Denis in the census 1901.

    In 1880 the land ownership was transfered to Denis (Andy).  They called him Andy.  Lot 3F

    1853 Andrew Scannell

    1880 Denis Scannell

    1881 Patrick Costello

    1894 Denis Scannell

    1914 John Scannell

    1931 Mary Scannell

    1932 Patrick Costello

    1938 Mary Scannell

    1959 Michael J. Scannell

    1975 Denis Scannell (There is a Mrs Hannah in there too for some reason) - This is Mrs Hannah  Scannell ( wife of Michael John)

    Today:

    3f  - Denis Scannell

    Andrew Scannell & Joanna Sullivan      wedding date 15/4/1828

    Witnesses

    Margaret Scannell

    Denis Crone (?Crone?is a nickname)

    Joanna Sullivan.

    Notes for Joanna Sullivan:  General Notes:

    Married in St. James Parish.

    Joanna Sullivan and Andrew Scannell. They were married on 15 Apr 1828 in Killorglin. They had 5  children.

    i.                    Timothy Scannell. He was born on 23 Sep 1829.

    ii.                  Dermetius Scannell. He was born on 06 Jul 1832.

    Notes for Dermetius Scannell:  General Notes:

    Lot 3b 1880 change frm Denis Scannell to James Scannell back to Denis  Scannell.

    This can also be James.  This is the only James around.  There was a land  change in 1880 from Denis to James and then back to Denis in 1882.


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    Register Report for Scannells from Douglas

    Generation 3 (con't)

    iii.                 Michael Scannell. He was born on 10 Apr 1835.

    Notes for Michael Scannell:  General Notes:

    There was a Michael that married Margaret Sheehan and had a Denis in 1859.  Could this be him?  His brother also married Sheehan.

    iv.                Andrew Scannell. He was born on 29 Jun 1838.

    8.                   v.       Denis Andrew Scannell. He was born on 10 Sep 1826 in Douglas. He married  Johanna Sheehan. They were married 1866. He died 1914 in Douglas - off land  records.

    6.                  Denis Scannell-3 (William Scannell-2, Scannells from Douglas-1). He was born Abt. 1814 in  Douglas. He died Abt. 1907 in Off land records.

    Notes for Denis Scannell:  General Notes:

    Lot 3B

    1853 Denis Scannell

    1880 James Scannell - not sure where he is coming from?  - Only James was a (Demetrius son of  Andrew and Joanna Sullivan).  Maybe older brother to Michael and Timothy (just no birth records  like Timothy)

    1882 Denis Scannell (original Denis?)

    1886 Denis Scannell - original 1853?

    1909 Michael Denis Scannell

    1913 John Scannell - This could be the brother of Tim and Michael, son of Denis Scannell -  Witness to Tim and Ellen Casey marriage)

    1914 Michael D. Scannell

    1926 Catherine Scannell

    1959 Timothy Scannell  Denis M Scannell  1961 Kathleen Scannell  1974 Catherine Scannell  1974 lot 3b was split up to

    3b1 - Catherine Scannell was in the house; house is still in valuation records but ruined.  3b2 John B. Costelloe was on the land then to John C. Costello 1976

    Today:

    3b1 - Catherine Scannell

    3b2 - John C. Costello

    The reason why I believe that Michael, Timothy and John are brothers (sons of this Denis)  is  because of this:

    1.  From Cynthia Scannell  Hi Paul,

    I've been cleaning out closets, getting ready for our move. I came across an email from my  husband's first cousin John Schmidt (his mother is Helen Scannell Schmidt, grandfather is Dennis  Scannell, great-grandfather Michael Scannell). I had forgotten about this email, but it confirms that  the Timothy buried in the Killorglin cemetery is indeed the brother to our Dennis Scannell. John is  a Catholic  priest in Chicago


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    Register Report for Scannells from Douglas

    Generation 3 (con't)

    2.  From Seamus:

    I asked him about Katty Scannell in

    Douglas,and he said she was a First Cousin of his Mothers,Katty was a first cousin of my  fathers,so would that mean that there was another brother for our Tim(married to Casey),and the  the John Scannell,grand father of Lynes.Maybe you are right with the Michael Scannell that you  thought was Tims brother.John Lyne said he wouldask more questions and let me know. (Yes, I  was right here, this makes sense.

    3.  Timothy had listed Denis as his father in 1894 marriage certificate from Douglas.  There were  two Denises the other Denis is in the other tree.

    Denis Scannell & Ellen Riordan  marriage date 18/2/1849  Witnesses

    John Cloovane (Clifford)  Michael Custelloe (Costello(e)

    Ellen Riordan is the daughter of Patrick Foley and Mary. She was born Abt. 1930 in Doughlas,  Killorglin Parish, County Kerry.

    Notes for Ellen Riordan:  General Notes:

    In the 1901 Census it has Ellen as the wife of Denis.  The ages are the same.  It has Mary as a  daughter.  Michael's birth is in the church records.  Michael is the land owner of their (Denis and  Ellen) in the 1901 census.

    Birthdate from teh census.  70 years old in 1901.

    I was back to Douglas last nite,and I met a relation of the 3rd Scannell

    family,he says all the 3 Scannells are related, His Grandmother was Johanna Scannell (she had a   brother Jerry) and she married McKenna,and their daughter Johanna married Foley and would be  parents of the man I met last nite..

    I asked him if he had any idea who our Denis was married to,and he said it

    might be Mary Shea,you had that too. He was to the Church in Killorglin and Mary told him it was  one of the priest's that burned some of the records. I gave him your emai,as his wife has a   computer,and ye might be able to sort out some more information.

    His own name and Adress is  Daniel Foley

    30 Louds Court,  Abington  Ma.02351.

    Mary makes sense here.  Each of the granddaughters was named Mary.

    Now maybe more confusion,while cleaning and painting this week, I came across a bit of  paper,where I was trying to do a family tree for my brother Denis a few years ago,I got a lot of the  information from Steven Scannell(now dead),he would be Mary's uncle and one of the 13.

    In it I have Jane as Ellen Caseys mother,but he had no surname,which I  know now is Spillane,thanks to you..Then on the Scannell side,he gave  Timothy Scannells (my Grandfather), fathers name as Denis,and he gave  Mary as the mother.Whether he was right or wrong now I dont know.


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    Register Report for Scannells from Douglas

    Generation 3 (con't)

    Kevin Griffin also thought Mary was the name.

    Denis Scannell and Ellen Riordan. They were married on 18 Feb 1849 in St. James Church. They  had 5 children.

    9.                   i.        Michael Denis Scannell[1, 2]. He was born on 14 Sep 1850 in Doughlas, Killorglin  Parish, County Kerry. He married Catherine ( Katie) Corkerry. They were married  Bef. 1886. He died 1926 in Douglas.

    10.               ii.       Timothy Scannell. He was born Abt. 1857 in Douglas, County Kerry. He married  Ellen Casey. They were married on 03 Apr 1894 in Milltown, County Kerry. He  died on 19 Nov 1947 in Killarney, County kerry, Ireland. Burial in Killorglin  Graveyard.

    11.               iii.      John Scannell. He was born Abt. 1860 in Killarney?. He died 1914 in Douglas.

    12.               iv.      Mary Scannell. She was born Abt. 1856 in 1911 census.

    13.               v.       Johanna Scannell. She was born Abt. 1859 in Doughlas, Killorglin Parish,  County Kerry.

    7.                  Michael Scannell-3 (Andreas Scannell-2, Scannells from Douglas-1). He was born Abt. 1790 in  Douglas?. He died Bef. 1853.

    Notes for Michael Scannell:  General Notes:

    Paul

    As promised - albeit a bit later than anticipated!

    The marriage records of the early 19th century do not give the names of the parents of the bride  and groom but do give the witnesses.

    In the case of the marriage of Jeremiah Scannell and Catherine Sheehan, the witnesses were  John Sheehan, Michael Scannell and Edmund Sheehan.

    Hope that fills in another piece of the jigsaw!  Regards

    Mary Clifford

    Can this be the Michael Scannell as a witness to Jeremiah's wedding??

    Michael makes sense.  THere was a landowner Michael in Douglas in 1834.  His first born was  Denis in 1821.  He would inherit the land.  That would make him 36 when he had Timothy.  This  Denis would also be the Denis in 1853.

    Denis' first born was named Timothy.  Michael's first born was named Timothy.  Second was  Denis.

    Potential parents of Michael are:

    Andrew and Juliana Teahan.  Church records have these two having a child in 1799 (Maria), but  no  Michael.  although the timeframe would work out.  Also, their kids include are Andrew( named  after grandfather), a Juliana (named after grandma) and a Mary named after her aunt.  Long  shot...  But, Denis (land) doesn't work here.


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    Register Report for Scannells from Douglas

    Generation 3 (con't)

    Mary Kerrisk. She died Abt. 1860.

    Notes for Mary Kerrisk:  General Notes:

    This Mary could be the land owner in 1853.  - After Michael died.  Michael would have died before  1853 and changed hands to Mary.  (6d)  However, you would think they would be the land they  gave their kid.  Kid on 3b.

    I don't think this is the Mary because it is lot 6d instead of a 3X.  The mary on the land must be

    from the other line...

    1853

    6d Mary Scannell (HOL)

    1858 slight renumbering for lots 6.  James Cahalane (took over for William Clifford?) on land was  not given a letter

    6c Mary Scannell (was 6d)

    1860 -1863

    6cd was Timothy and Andrew now - John Clifford (60/61) but only a house.  Jeremiah got the  land.  Probably a relationship between Jeremiah and Mary.  Or convenient because of proximity.  No transfer record of 6c from Mary to Timothy.  Or on 6D to Andrew.

    Maybe Mary and Michael were Jeremiah's parents?  And William was Denis' Dad.  Also, There was a Michael Scannell that was a witness at Jeremiah and Catherine Sheehan's  wedding.  Michael could be Jeremiah's dad.

    Michael Scannell and Mary Kerrisk. They had 9 children.

    i.                    Mary Scannell. She was born on 15 Aug 1816 in Douglas.

    ii.                  Joanna Scannell. She was born on 08 May 1814 in Douglas.

    iii.                 Juliana Scannell. She was born on 28 Mar 1818 in Douglas.

    iv.                Margareta Scannell. She was born on 30 Jun 1824 in Douglas.

    v.                  Mauritius Scannell. He was born on 19 Feb 1827 in Douglas.

    vi.                Andrew Scannell. He was born on 12 May 1830 in Douglas.

    Notes for Andrew Scannell:  General Notes:

    Lots 6c in 1860 could be him.  This is where Mary his mother was living.

    vii.               Timothy Scannell. He was born on 18 Dec 1832 in Douglas.

    Notes for Timothy Scannell:  General Notes:

    Lot 6d, this could be him.  His mother was in 6c, Jeremiah took over 6d for a  short time.


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    Register Report for Scannells from Douglas

    Generation 3 (con't)

    14.               viii.     Jeremiah Scannell. He was born Abt. 1820. He married Catherine Sheehan.  They were married on 12 Feb 1839 in St. James Parish, Killorglin County Kerry.  He died Abt. 1888 in Douglas.

    ix.                Denis Scannell. He was born on 07 Nov 1821 in Doughlas, Killorglin Parish,  County Kerry.

    Generation 4

    8.                  Denis Andrew Scannell-4 (Andrew Scannell-3, Denis Scannell-2, Scannells from Douglas-1). He  was born on 10 Sep 1826 in Douglas. He died 1914 in Douglas - off land records.

    Notes for Denis Andrew Scannell:  General Notes:

    Denis death date is an estimate from the land records.  This is the year that Michael Denis took  over.  Birthdate and parents from St. James records.  However, the 1911 census has him at 88.  He would have been 89 if this is the right birthdate (April 1911).  It also says he was only married  for 45 years (~1866).  Married for the first time at 43?  That is why I think there was a prior wife to  Joanna.

    There was a landowner Michael in Douglas in 1834.  The first born was Denis in 1821.  He would  inherit the land.

    March 1, 1853 had the following: Land records  Casey collection Vol 5 pg 78

    Andrew Scannell Garrane West  Ellen Scannell in Douglas (Home)  Mary Scannell in DOuglas (home, office land)  Jeremiah - Douglas (HOL)

    Andrew in Douglas (HOL)  Denis in Douglas (HOL)

    All the above rented from Sir Roland Blannerbassett.

    Lot 3c

    Timothy Sheehan

    1884  Denis (Andy) Scannell

    1886 John McKenna

    Timothy may have been Johanna Sheehan's dad or brother, Andy took over for a couple years.   Maybe his daughter married McKenna?

    Summary by lots:

    IN 1884 having Denis from the other Scannell Tree taking over the lot makes me believe there is a   fairly tight relationship.  Maybe Denis and Michael (landowners in 1834) were brothers?

    This Denis had a son Michael, named after his father?  Denis may be the oldest?  A son Timothy,  named after his brother and a daughter Joanna named after his sister.


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    Register Report for Scannells from Douglas

    Generation 4 (con't)

    Johanna Sheehan is the daughter of Timothy Sheehan.

    Notes for Johanna Sheehan:  General Notes:

    I then changed it to Joahanna Sheehan married in 1866.

    John was born ~1871 according to age at census.  This would work.

    THe 1911 census has Denis Andrew and a Johanna Scannell (age 78 together).  Married for 45  years.

    Father to Johanna, Timothy Sheehan, he was on 3c then it went to Denis (Andy) Scannell then to  John McKenna.

    Denis Andrew Scannell and Johanna Sheehan. They were married 1866. They had 1 child.

    i.                    John Scannell[3]. He was born 1871. He married Mary Foley. They were married  on 24 Feb 1900 in St. James Parish, Killorglin[3].

    Notes for John Scannell:  General Notes:

    Parish Records:  John's parents are given as Denis Scannell and Mary Scannell  and Mary's parents as Patrick Foley and Mary Foley.  (This was confirmed by  Mary Clifford).  This causes an issue.  Denis Andrew was married to Joanne from  1866 thru 1911 so, it can't be his father.

    From the 1911 Census:  http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Kerry/Killorglin/Douglas/289331

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    Ages were as follows:  John 40, Mary 36, Denis 10, Hannah 8, mary 5.

    Information from Tombstone next to other Scannells.  John and Mary Foley,  Michael John Scannell son Douglas died July 18, 1965.  Sister Julia Mary died  Jan 15 1969 Catherine and Margaret Patrick - 1964(baby), Hannah Scannell -   wife mother 1996.

    The two Denis candidates for John's father were born in 1826 which would Denis  45 when John was born, the other Denis Andrew was born in 1820 which would  make him 50 when he was born.  Not sure how to reconcile this.

    Issue I have is that this land is that Denis Andy was on this land for 10 years.

    The Andrew in 1853 makes sense...

    The Denis Andrew Scannell from teh 1911 census has Johanna as the wife.  Joanna married Denis Andrew in 1866 before John was born.  Very confusing.

    Lot 3f

    1853 Andrew Scannell

    1880 Denis Scannell (Andy)


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    Register Report for Scannells from Douglas

    Generation 4 (con't)

    1890 Patrick Costello

    1894 Denis Scannell

    1914 John Scannell

    1931 Mary Scannell

    1932 Patrick Costello

    1938 Mary Scannell

    1959 Michael J. Scannell

    1975 Denis Scannell (There is a Mrs Hannah in there too, this is Mrs Hannah  Scannell ( wife of Michael John Scannell)

    Today:

    3f  - Denis Scannell

    ________________________________________

    From: St. James Parish [mailto:killorglinparish@eircom.net]  Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2006 4:28 AM

    To: Paul Scannell  Subject: Re: Thank You

    Paul

    I'm glad that you are enjoying success in your quest for the pieces of your family   tree.  It is lovely to make and meet family connections.

    re John Scannell & Mary Foley:

    John's parents are given as Denis Scannell and Mary Scannell and Mary's  parents as Patrick Foley and Mary Foley.  (This was confirmed by Mary Clifford).  re School Records:

    Old school attendance records are not kept centrally in our parish - rather each  school has its own.  There are four National Schools in our parish:  Cromane,  Glounaguillagh, Douglas and Scoil Mhuire (the town school).  If you write to the  Principal of any of the schools, they will be able to advise you of their records.  I  am not sure, however, if they would have time to search for information for you.  The address would simply be: the school's name, Killorglin, Co. Kerry.  Wishing  you and your family all the best for 2006.

    Regards  Mary Clifford

    Information found on tombstone next to the other Scannells  See video.  Also  there baby Patrick died 1964.  Hannah Scannell wife mother died 1996

    Hi Paul

    You are certainly not bothering me. Michael John Scannell was my Grandfather  who died in 1965. His Sister Julia Mary came back from America and died in  Killorglin.  Patrick was my Uncle Denis's first born and Hannah Scannell was my   Grandmother.  They're my Scannells, but I'd say we're related somewhere along  the line.

    Chris

    9.                  Michael Denis Scannell-4 (Denis Scannell-3, William Scannell-2, Scannells from Douglas-1)[1, 2].  He was born on 14 Sep 1850 in Doughlas, Killorglin Parish, County Kerry. He died 1926 in  Douglas.


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    Register Report for Scannells from Douglas

    Generation 4 (con't)

    Notes for Michael Denis Scannell:  General Notes:

    II believe this is Ellena Riordan is the mother, then he was born 14.09.1850 according to church  records.  Tthis coincides with teh 1911 census records.

    Michael (61) Katie (56), Timothy (25), Denis (23), Julia (17), Ellie (15), Katie (11).

    The 1911 census says that Michael and Catherine were only married for 18 years in 1911 (1893).

    This also means that Michael had another wife who was the father of Timothy and Denis...

    THe 1901 census has Michael (40) and Kate (36), However, this is only 10 years earlier (all the  kids ages are in agreement).  Since Michael could not read/write, I think they just did the math  wrong.

    In the 1901 census there is a Denis Scannell with a wife of Ellen.  Ellen Riordan makes sense.   Also, the land owner is this Michael Scannell.  The have the lots next to each other.  Mary,  Michael's sister is living with Denis and Ellen.

    Death estimate from when Catherine took over the land in 1926.  His wife.

    There was a Michael Scannell (brother?) and Hannah Scannell (sister of Denis) that were  witnesses for the birth of Denis Scannell son of John Scannell married to Mgt Shea.

    Lot 3B

    1853 Denis Scannell

    1880 James Scannell - not sure where he is coming from?  - Only James was a (Demetrius son of  Andrew and Joanna Sullivan).  Maybe older brother to Michael and Timothy (just no birth records  like Timothy)

    1882 Denis Scannell (original Denis?)

    1886 Denis Scannell - original 1853?

    1909 Michael Denis Scannell

    1913 John Scannell - This could be the brother of Tim and Michael, son of Denis Scannell -  Witness to Tim and Ellen Casey marriage)

    1914 Michael D. Scannell

    1926 Catherine Scannell

    1959 Timothy Scannell  Denis M Scannell  1961 Kathleen Scannell  1974 Catherine Scannell  1974 lot 3b was split up to

    3b1 - Catherine Scannell was in the house; house is still in valuation records but ruined.  3b2 John B. Costelloe was on the land then to John C. Costello 1976

    Today:

    3b1 - Catherine Scannell

    3b2 - John C. Costello

    Hi Paul,

    I've been cleaning out closets, getting ready for our move. I came across an email from my  husband's first cousin John Schmidt (his mother is Helen Scannell Schmidt, grandfather is Dennis  Scannell, great-grandfather Michael Scannell). I had forgotten about this email, but it confirms that  the Timothy buried in the Killorglin cemetery is indeed the brother to our Dennis Scannell. John is  a Catholic  priest in Chicago. Read on:

    From Cynthia Scannell  Subj: Scannell/Griffin

    Date: 9/1/99 9:35:53 AM Pacific Daylight Time  From: JKevin61 To: CScann


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    Register Report for Scannells from Douglas

    Generation 4 (con't)

    Dear Cynthia:

    Hi and Greetings from Chicago! Uncle Dennis told me that you were working on family  history/geneology so I searched 'Scannell' on the web and found you and Mike and the family.  You"ve done a great job. I went to Ireland last year and visited the parish church were Mike's  grandparents, Dennis and Julia, were baptized. I prevailed upon him to show me the parish  records, which he did. Here is what I've found; you can add this to the family record.  Scannell of Douglas Co. Kerry

    Under the names of Michael Scannell and Catherine Corkerry are the names of their children:  Timotheus -baptized 05.13.1886

    Dionysius (Dennis) - (our grandfather) born 04.14.1888 baptized at St. James' Church, Killorglin  04.15.1888. Jeremiah Coffey and Joanna Scannell were the godparents.

    Joanna -baptized 08.24.1890  Julia -baptized 05.07.1893  Helena -baptized 09.13.1896  Catharina -baptized 07.20.1900

    Both Timothy and Catharina are buried at Killorglin cemetery c. 1950.  Griffin of Glounagilliagh, Co. Kerry

    Under the names of Patrick Griffin and Julia Corkerry are the names of their children:  Michael- baptized 09.01.1881

    Ellena -baptized 03.28.1885  Patrick -baptized 04.10.1887  Margarita -baptized 12.26.1889

    Julia (our grandmother) born 05.02.1893, baptized on 05.07.1893.

    Catherine ( Katie) Corkerry[1, 2]. She was born Abt. 1855.

    Notes for Catherine ( Katie) Corkerry:  General Notes:

    Probably second wife to Michael due to 1911 census stating they were only married in 1893 or  so..

    There was a Bridget Corkerry (age 60 - born 1851) and a Mary Foley (age 70 born 1841) on the  same land in the 1911 census.  This is interesting because Corkerry and Foley are from different  trees.  It says Mary was a widow, Bridget a visitor.

    Lot 3B

    1853 Denis Scannell

    1880 James Scannell - not sure where he is coming from?  - Only James was a (Demetrius son of  Andrew and Joanna Sullivan).  Maybe older brother to Michael and Timothy (just no birth records  like Timothy)

    1882 Denis Scannell (original Denis?)

    1886 Denis Scannell - original 1853?

    1909 Michael Denis Scannell

    1913 John Scannell - This could be the brother of Tim and Michael, son of Denis Scannell -  Witness to Tim and Ellen Casey marriage)

    1914 Michael D. Scannell

    1926 Catherine Scannell

    1959 Timothy Scannell  Denis M Scannell  1961 Kathleen Scannell  1974 Catherine Scannell  1974 lot 3b was split up to


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    Register Report for Scannells from Douglas

    Generation 4 (con't)

    3b1 - Catherine Scannell was in the house; house is still in valuation records but ruined.  3b2 John B. Costelloe was on the land then to John C. Costello 1976

    Today:

    3b1 - Catherine Scannell

    3b2 - John C. Costello

    Michael Denis Scannell and Catherine ( Katie) Corkerry. They were married Bef. 1886. They had

    6  children.

    i.                    Timothy Scannell. He was born on 13 May 1886. He died on 26 May 1956.

    Notes for Timothy Scannell:  General Notes:

    Named after his Uncle Timothy?

    Buried in Killorglin graveyard.  On the headstone it says:

    Pray for the soul of Timothy Scannell, died May 26, 1956 aged 70 years.  RIP  Erected by his sister Katty (Katharina/Katie).

    He is buried in the same grave as my great grandfather Timothy and Ellen  Casey..  (see Seamus email 7/7/02):

    1.  From Seamus:

    The Tim (1956) Scannell is buried in in Timothy Scannells and Ellens  (Casey) grave and would be a 1st cousin of my father and Uncle Den.

    2.  I think Mary Scannell told him this (Mary is his cousin related through the  Burkett sisters.  Her brother (I think Uncle) had a lot of information on our family.

    #1 and #2 are conflicting.  Addiitonally.  There is a Timothy on lot 3B who has the  land in 1959 but this Timothy died in 1956.  There may be another Timothy or I  need to check the land record dates again....

    1911 census has him here at age 25 son of Michael and Katie.

    This could be the Timothy from the Muller website.  On that she has a TImothy  and Catherina born to Catherine Corkerry and MIchael Scannell in Douglas.  There are other siblings as well:

    Denis Michael SCANNELL b: 14 APR 1888 in Douglas, County Kerry, Ireland  Timothy SCANNELL b: ABT. 12 MAY 1886

    Joanna SCANNELL b: ABT. 23 AUG 1890  Julia SCANNELL b: ABT. 7 MAY 1896   Helena SCANNELL b: ABT. 12 SEP 1896  Catharina SCANNELL  b. Abt. July 19, 1900.

    I have since emailed Cynthia Scannell.

    Lot 3B

    1853 Denis Scannell

    1880 James Scannell - not sure where he is coming from? - Demetrius -  1882 Denis Scannell Back to original Denis

    1886 Denis  Scannell - original 1853?

    1909 Michael Denis


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    1913 John Scannell

    1914 Michael D. Scannell

    1926 Catherine

    1959 Timothy XXX - this is the Timothy on the land.  Denis M

    1961 Kathleen

    1974 Catherine Scannell

    1974 lot 3b was split up to

    3b1 - Catherine Scannell was in the house; house is still in valuation records but  ruined.

    3b2 John B. Costelloe was on the land then to John C. Costello 1976  Today:

    3b1 - Catherine Scannell

    3b2 - John C. Costello

    Did Timothy Scannell have children... maybe that explains the other sin the land  (Kathleen)??

    ii.                  Katharina ( Katie) Scannell[1, 2]. She was born Abt. 19 Jul 1900.

    Notes for Katharina ( Katie) Scannell:  General Notes:

    This spelling may be Katherina.  On the headstone it says:

    Pray for the soul of Timothy Scannell, died May 26, 1956 aged 70 years.  RIP  Erected by his sister Katty.

    Lot 3B

    1853 Denis Scannell

    1880 James Scannell - not sure where he is coming from?  - Only James was a  (Demetrius son of Andrew and Joanna Sullivan).  Maybe older brother to Michael   and Timothy (just no birth records like Timothy)

    1882 Denis Scannell (original Denis?)

    1886 Denis Scannell - original 1853?

    1909 Michael Denis Scannell

    1913 John Scannell - This could be the brother of Tim and Michael, son of Denis  Scannell - Witness to Tim and Ellen Casey marriage)

    1914 Michael D. Scannell

    1926 Catherine Scannell

    1959 Timothy Scannell  Denis M Scannell  1961 Kathleen Scannell  1974 Catherine Scannell  1974 lot 3b was split up to

    3b1 - Catherine Scannell was in the house; house is still in valuation records but  ruined.

    3b2 John B. Costelloe was on the land then to John C. Costello 1976  Today:

    3b1 - Catherine Scannell

    3b2 - John C. Costello

    iii.                 Denis Michael Scannell[1, 2]. He was born on 14 Apr 1888 in Douglas, County  Kerry, Ireland[1, 2]. He died on 09 Oct 1959[1, 2].


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    Notes for Denis Michael Scannell:  General Notes:

    Jeremiah Coffey and Joanna Scannell were the godparents (Joanna could be  Michael's sister / Denis' aunt).

    Named after his Grandfather.

    I have a copy of the birth certifiate from St. James Church in Killorglin.

    It looks like he left for Berkeley, son born in 1929 in Berkeley.  How is he on the  land in 1959??

    iv.                Joanna Scannell[1, 2]. She was born Abt. 23 Aug 1890[1, 2].

    v.                  Julia Scannell[1, 2]. She was born Abt. 07 May 1894 in census records 1911 - 17  years old[1, 2].

    vi.      Helena ( Ellie) Scannell[1, 2]. She was born Abt. 12 Sep 1896 in census records[1,

    2].

    10.              Timothy Scannell-4 (Denis Scannell-3, William Scannell-2, Scannells from Douglas-1). He was  born Abt. 1857 in Douglas, County Kerry. He died on 19 Nov 1947 in Killarney, County kerry,  Ireland. Burial in Killorglin Graveyard.

    Notes for Timothy Scannell:  General Notes:

    According to 1911 Census he was 55 in 1911, Ellen was 45.   This would be 1856/1857 for  birthdate.  This was April 1911.  He was 90 in Nov 1957.  So he was born between April and Nov  1857

    Link to 1911  Census:http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Kerry/Dromin/Coolroe__North/289960/  Ages of children: John, Ellen, Denis, Jane (17, 15, 13, 10)

    The census also says they had 7 kids born alive but only 5 still alive in 1911.  I see only 4.

    Definitely born Bef. April 03, 1873 according to marriage certificate.  I looked in Vol 5 and Vol8 for  Timothy child of Denis and there was none n the GRO between 1864-1876.  Therefore, most likely  before 1864 or he was born somewhere else, although his marriage certificate says he was from  Douglas!.

    Most likely could not read or write.  He needed to have marriage certificate read to him and  marked an x for his name.  Others filled his name in.

    I found the death certificate which states that he was 90 and died in 1947.  It also says he was  from Coolroe (when he died - Casey farm))  Therefore 1857 may be the correct date.

    PG 301 Vol 5 Casey has their marriage.  It says Ellie was 23, from Coolroe.  Ty. from Doughlas.  Parents John Casey and Denis Scannell.  Married in Milltown. In the Barony of Magunihy, COunty  Kerry.

    He is buried in with Ellen Casey and Tim Scannell 1956.  Tim Scannell from 1967 is buried in the  grave next to this.  That Tim Scannell  has a plaque on the gable of the church.  (Dromavally)


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    Marriage notes from certificate: John Scannell (Brother?)and Daniel Kissane were the witnesses.   The license also states Timothy from Doughlas and father Denis Scannell.  Ellie Casey from  Coolroe and father John Casey.  Timothy, Denis and John were all farmers.  Timothy Scannell  was of full age (at least 21)?  Ellie Casey was 23

    The farm where Timothy came from has been sold.

    Seamus has some notes of a family tree that he and Steven Scannell were working on.  Steven  (one of the 13) said that Seamus Great Grandfather was  Denis  Scannell (this matches this  person) and wife as Mary.

    I believe this is Timothy is the brother of Michael because of this email (maybe there are other   facts too but, I forgot).  The issue is I think Timothy's mom was Mary (maybe Johanna?)  and  Michael's mom was Ellen ?

    Timothy son of Michael died 1956 is buried in the same grave as this  Timothy and Ellen Casey..  (see Seamus email 7/7/02):

    The Tim (1956) Scannell is buried in in Timothy Scannells and Ellens  (Casey) grave and would be a 1st cousin of my father and Uncle Den.

    I also kow that he was first cousins (possibly not - PS) with John Scannell's Seamus' dad.  Seamus told me the person in the Killorglin graveyard with this inscription was his dad's first  cousin.  I think Mary Scannell told him this (Mary is his cousin related through the Burkett sisters.  Her brother (I think Uncle) had a lot of information on our family.

    For Timothy's mother:

    Mary makes sense here.  Each of the granddaughters was named Mary.

    Now maybe more confusion,while cleaning and painting this week, I came across a bit of  paper,where I was trying to do a family tree for my brother Denis a few years ago,I got a lot of the  information from Steven Scannell(now dead),he would be Mary's uncle and one of the 13.

    In it I have Jane as Ellen Caseys mother,but he had no surname,which I  know now is Spillane,thanks to you..Then on the Scannell side,he gave  Timothy Scannells (my Grandfather), fathers name as Denis,and he gave  Mary as the mother.Whether he was right or wrong now I dont know.

    Ellen Casey is the daughter of John Casey and Jane Spillane[4]. She was born Abt. 1867 in  Coolroe, Kilbonane Parish, County Kerry. She was also known as Helena Casey. Burial in  Killorglin Graveyard.

    Notes for Ellen Casey:  General Notes:

    She was 45 years old in April 1911.  Also known as Helena, Helen or Ellie

    Married in the old chuch in Milltown.  THe new one didn't open until Novermber 1894.  (seamus).

    From Seamus:

    Last night I found the marriage agreement between John Casey, Timothy Scannell and Ellen  Casey,made 28-2-1894. John Casey's wife's name is on it. Her name was Jane,It does not say  her maiden name I will show it to you when you come home.There is a lot of scribbling on it,  probably my father,your grandfather,and there two sisters. when they were young.One bit of  scribbling on it says John Ellen Den Jane,more than likely the oldest to youngest,I asked a  neighbour about the girls and he said Ellen went to


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    England,and died there at a young age also buried there.Jane also died young and is probably  buried in Killorglin.

    P. S.--- You can see from the marriage cert that Timothy Scannell could not  write.He made an X you can see it betwen his name and written on it ,  his mark,it is also on the thing I have, Also on the thing I have, it says that it  was read out to him,so he probably could not read either,so havent we  come along way,wouldnt he have some counting in all his descendants,  that are still living From our side 27 and on your side 50 and counting.

    There was a Ellen Casey and a John Scannell as witnesses to Elizabeth Casey's wedding in  1893.  pg 231

    Timothy Scannell and Ellen Casey. They were married on 03 Apr 1894 in Milltown, County Kerry.  They had 4 children.

    Relationship Notes:

    John Scannell (brother?) and Daniel Kissane were the witnesses.  The license also states Timothy  from Doughlas and father Denis Scannell.  Ellie Casey from Coolroe and father John Casey.  Timothy, Denis and John were all farmers.  Timothy Scannell was of full age?  Ellie Casey was 23  years old.

    i.                    Denis Joseph Scannell Sr.. He was born on 20 Aug 1898 in Coolroe, Milltown  Parish, County kerry, Ireland. He died on 18 Mar 1961 in New York, New York.  Burial on 22 Mar 1961 in Gates of Heaven, Hawthorne New York. He married  Nora M. Clifford. They were married in Timothy Clifford and Nellie Clifford were   witnesses. Address was 602 West 184th St / New York, New York /.

    Notes for Denis Joseph Scannell Sr.:  General Notes:

    Buried at Gates of Heaven Hawthorne, NY with Nora (section  Gr.1 P.411)  named after his Grandfather.

    Letter from O'Connell:  Talking about Denis Scannell

    As far as Jim Knows he had no siblings.  He had a cousin Timothy Scannell who  had 3 children, Helen, Tim and ? (I think this would Elizabeth Anne - The cousin  would be Timothy who married Carey, The Helen is Sr. Helen).  Tim lived in the  Bronx.  He also had a cousin Nellie Cashman, she lived in Spring Valley.  She  had a son member of NYCPD - Emerald Society.  He would be in his 60's, lives  near Sterling Forest.

    Denis was born in County Kerry, Ireland.  He was a member of the Irish  Republican Army.  He lived some where near the Cliffords - Milltown Store.  He  was active in the fighting in the 1920's.  Nora's brother, Mike Clifford, was also  with the IRA.  He got shot and Denis carried him on his back up one moutnain  and down another until he eventually found a Doctor who would treat Mike.  Denis  saved Mike's life. Both men were wanted by the British Government which put a  price on their heads.  This may have been why they came to the US.  During  World War II the British Government granted them amnesty.

    Denis was an exceptionally good Irish football player.  He played on a County  Kerry team as well as in All Star Championship games in the Polo Grounds and  Yankee Stadium and a Gaelic Park in Queens.  If you or anyone else have Nora's  old trunk it should contain clippings, ribbons etc. of his triumphs.


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    He drove a truck for Reaves' grocery stores until he got sick. Then he worked for  a time at the Cloisters.

    There was another relative, there name was Madigan.  Their daughter became a  judge in NYC.  She was the one that sponsored Timmy for the bar examination.  Not sure whether it was the mother's or father's side but some how there was a  family connection.

    Nora Clifford - Father James Clifford, Mother Mary Sullivan

    She came from a large family in County Kerry.  There were 4 girls Mary Hannah,  Nora, Nell and 6 boys Jerry, Pat, Jim, Daniel, Mike and Tim (twins).

    A Sullivan first cousin had 4 children (Maureen, Norean, Mike and Tim all  redheads.

    Mary (Jim's Mother) died in 1920 of the flu.  2 children -

    Jim married Jeonette and had 6 children Mary Jean, Kathleen, James, Donald,  Dennis and Kevin.

    Maurice - married Marion Grab - had 3 children Maurice, Joseph and Clare.  Jerry - was a NYC policeman - no children

    Patrick - worked for 5th Ave Coach Co - Bachelor

    Jim - Married Mary had 2 daughters - Maureen and Noreen

    Mike - Died in Wahington DC - body sent back to Ireland where he was given a  heroes funeral

    1 daughter - now dead

    1 grandaughter lives in Boston

    Tim - has a daughter Mary Clifford in Waterbury, CT rest of his children in Ireland  Daniel - bachelor

    Nell - Married a Clifford - went back to Ireland.  Family should still be living around  Milltown

    Hannah - no info.

    Denis and Nora were married in St. Gregory's - 90th st, around 1929 both buried  in Gate of Heaven.

    Address when married was 100W 89th St. (Marriage certificate).  THis address  was also the one used in immigration papers in July 1928.  He must have left and  then came back because he

    Came to US before 1925 (Kerry Football picture in NY) and 1929(married).  Seamus also said that he did come back to Ireland once after he left.  When Dad was born the address was: 136 West 90th St.  Dad was born at the  hospital at 130 East 69th St.

    Aunt Cathy said they use to visit them at  602 West 184th St.  New York, this is  also on his death certificate. (this is where Dad lived when he was married to  mom according to marriage certificate).

    St. Elizabeth Church was their Church in NY.

    He worked for the NY Parks Dept in NY near the George Washington Bridge.  Abereidon?

    Confirmed date of birth from certificate with Ellen Casey as mom, 8/20/1898!  Cemetary and death certificate has the wrong birth date 8/20/1888 inistead of  1898.  The tombstone says 1898-1961 which is correct.

    His marriage certificate says he was 29 in 1929 and 30 on Dad's birth certificate.  I think he was using the birth date of his cousin Denis Scannell who died young  and was born on November 4, 1899 to Timothy Scannell and Ellen Coffey to  avoid the IRA?


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    Denis was very close with Timothy Scannell (who married Coffey)'s son Timothy  Scannell.  He is the Godfather of his daughter Sr. Helen

    Came to NY through Canada.  I have immigration records.  a

    email from Seamus in regards to Denis' Birth Certificate, Aug 2, 2002:

    The phone rang again,and it was Mary from the first office,and she had rang the  Civil Registeration Office In Killarney (where I got the last cert),

    and didnt they find the correct cert for Denis. He was born 20th August 1898. I  was going into Killarney and I went in and now I have it.  It was Ellen herself that  informed the office on the 30th Sept 1898,and it was

    signed with an X ,her mark.She probably could not write either.

    His birth infomation is:

    Ref: 1898, Killarney, September qtr., 5-247

    His mom Ellen registered the birth herself on Sept 30, 1898 who signed with a  mark.The record states that: Denis Scannell was born on 20 August 1898 at  Coolroe which is in the registration district of Milltown in the Union of Killarney,  Co. Kerry.  His father was Timothy Scannell, Farmer, Coolroe

    His marriage certificate says he was a clerk.  His death certificate says he was a Guard.

    ii.                  John Scannell. He was born on 10 Feb 1895 in Coolroe, Kilbonane Parish,  County Kerry. He married Hannah Burkett. They were married 1943. He died on  24 Feb 1982 in County kerry, Ireland.

    Notes for John Scannell:  General Notes:

    He is buried with his wife Hannah near the church in Listry.  Their parish use to   be called Kilbonane, now its Listry and its part of the Milltown Parish.  Named after his Uncle John (Tim's brother)

    iii.                 Ellen Scannell. She was born Bet. 1896–1897. She died in Wright Island,  England. Burial in England.

    Notes for Ellen Scannell:  General Notes:

    According to Seamus died in her 20's  never married.  Ellen was 15 in 1911.

    iv.                Jane Scannell. She was born Abt. 1901. She died on 11 Nov 1944 in Killarney  Hospital, County Kerry, Ireland. Burial in Killorglin Graveyard possibly?.

    Notes for Jane Scannell:  General Notes:  Seamus:

    Died in her mid 40's never married.

    I was asking my neighbour about my  Aunt Jane,he told me she died in  Killarney Hospital around 1943/44 when she was in her mid 40's.

    Seamus:

    A neighbour of Janes who knew her,told me she was alive when my


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    mother and father got married in1943, so Lorraine went into the Registry   office,and they found her date of death It was Nov.11th 1944,age 36...

    They only have them in the books,andit takes ages to get them if  you dont be near the right date. We are all looking forward to yere  home comming...REason for death - Leukemia/Cancer.

    11.              John Scannell-4 (Denis Scannell-3, William Scannell-2, Scannells from Douglas-1). He was born  Abt. 1860 in Killarney?. He died 1914 in Douglas.

    Notes for John Scannell:  General Notes:

    John Scannell as a witness to Timothy and Ellen's marriage

    John took over lot 3b in 1913.  This could be the John.  John was removed from the land in 1914  back to his brother Michael Denis.

    Summary by lots:  Lot 3B

    1853 Denis Scannell

    1880 James Scannell - not sure where he is coming from?  1882 Denis Scannell Back to original Denis

    1886 Denis  Scannell - original 1853?

    1909 Michael Denis

    1913 John Scannell

    1914 Michael D. Scannell

    1926 Catherine

    1959 Timothy  Denis M  1961 Kathleen

    1974 Catherine Scannell

    1974 lot 3b was split up to

    3b1 - Catherine Scannell was in the house; house is still in valuation records but ruined.  3b2 John B. Costelloe was on the land then to John C. Costello 1976

    Today:

    3b1 - Catherine Scannell

    3b2 - John C. Costello

    I need to look in Vol 7 for the marriage of these two in Killarney.  Not there.

    There was a John Scannell that was a witness at Timothy and Ellen Casey's wedding.  Brother   makes sense.

    Margaret Shea is the wife.  The first son is Denis which would be named after his dad.  Then the  other sons were named after brothers.  The first dauther is Mary which could be his mom.

    If Mgt Shea is the mom then Denis is born 3/5/1887 in Killarney (michael and Hannah Scannell  were witnesses - his brother and sister?) and TImothy born 6/7/1891 in Boherkeale.  There is a  street in Killarney named  Boherkeale...  If this is the case why would John be on in Douglas in  1913?  Maybe the John on the land is John married Foley?

    -----Original Message-----

    From: seamusscannell@unison.ie [mailto:seamusscannell@unison.ie]  Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2003 2:46 PM  To: paulscannell@cox.net


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    Paul.

    Just got your email.Tullorum is near Killarney.The Lynes said that their

    family came from near Killarney. John Lynes mother was Ellen Scannell who was a daughter of  John Scannell,Ellen also had brothers and sisters,Mollie (or Mary),Maggie,Nora, Tady (or  Timothy),Mick and Denny.

    Dont it look very likely, that that John Scannell would be a brother of our

    Timothy. There is a street at the side of the shop where I work,called Bohercaol,It is the Irish for  narrow street.I dont know of any Townland called Boherkeale.What did you find about that.  Suzanne moved into her new home to-day. I didnt see Lorraine since,but I will find out what part  of the U.S. she is going to for the week at the end of March. I had an email from Shelly. No other  news from here. Greeting to all the family.

    Seamus

    This could be because there was a John that was a witness at Timothy/ Casey wedding.  Name confirmed from Lyne.

    Hi Paul.

    Hope all is well there,we are all fine here,the nights are getting dark very

    early now,it was dark at 6.30 this evening,and next weekend we put back the clocks one hour for  winter time,which means it will get dark at 5.30,do ye do the same in the U.S. Back to our  cousins,that man came

    into me to-day for his machine. His name is Pat Lyne,he still didnt have his grand mother's  (Scannell) first name,but he is going to get his

    father to ring me,his father name is John Lyne a son of the Scannell

    woman,and she would be a first cousin of your Denis and my father. Pat Lyne met the John  Scannell near  Cahirciveen,and this is what they came

    up with. John Scannell's father name was Denis Scannell,this Denis is a sister of The Scannell  woman( no first name), who is mother of John Lyne.

    And then Denis Scannell and his sister The Scannell woman's father's name was John  Scannell,this John then would be a brother to our Timothy

    married to Casey. Pat Lyne said his Aunt was good at tracing relations and asked me to call there  sometime to trash it all out He said he would like to meet you too when you come here. We are  getting there slowly,I must try and find out who that John (brother of our Tim) was married to.  I hope this email is not too confusing,  and I am explaning it proparly.

    Looking forward to hearing from you  give our regards to all the family  Take Care

    Seamus

    Paul.

    Thanks for the email,I was wondering myself if there was a 3rd brother of

    Timothy and John,but I doubt it very much.I always heard my father talking about his relations  from his father's side,but I am sure that they are from

    his uncle (John),whether there was any sisters now I am not too   sure,hopefully now someone from The Lyne family can help us out.  Mary in Douglas wouldnt be too far away from where the Lyne's live,and  they would always be buying cattle from each other,so that is where the

    connection is there. I gave the list of decendants of Michael Scannell / Corkerry to Pat Lyne,he will  show them to his Aunt and his father she could they make any connection,I also showed them to  Mary in Douglas she said that they probably the other Scannell family as she thought there was  priest's in that family. We will wait now to hear from the Lyne family.

    I rang John Lyne to night,and I think maybe he added to the confusion


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    about our relations.He didnt know too much,but he said his grand father John Scannell,came from   Killarney and not  Douglas,His Mothers name was Ellie(Ellen),His aunts were Mollie (another  name for Mary),Maggie and Nora.

    His Uncles wereTady (Tim),Mick, and Denis,This Denis is the father of  John Scannell on the Ring of Kerry. He said the most of his uncles and  Aunts went to America. I asked him about Katty Scannell in  Douglas,and he said she was a First Cousin of his Mothers,Katty was a first  cousin of my fathers,so would that mean that there was another brother  for our Tim(married to Casey),and the the John Scannell,grand father of  Lynes.Maybe you are right with the Michael Scannell that you thought was

    Tims brother.John Lyne said he wouldask more questions and let me know. (Yes, I was right here,  this makes sense.

    Margaret Shea.

    Notes for Margaret Shea:  General Notes:

    This is definetly Margaret SHea  I found all 7 children that match the names that Seamus gave me  in Vol 14.

    John Scannell and Margaret Shea. They had 7 children.

    i.                    Denis Scannell. He was born on 05 Mar 1887 in Killarney.

    Notes for Denis Scannell:  General Notes:

    Vol 14 pg 190.  Hannah Scannell and Michael Scannell were witnesses.  John's  siblings?

    Denis, first born, named after his grandfather.

    I rang John Lyne to night,and I think maybe he added to the confusion  about our relations.He didnt know too much,but he said his grand father John  Scannell,came from Killarney and not  Douglas,His Mothers name was Ellie  (Ellen),His aunts were Mollie (another name for Mary),Maggie and Nora.  His Uncles wereTady (Tim),Mick, and Denis,This Denis is the father of  John Scannell on the Ring of Kerry. He said the most of his uncles and  Aunts went to America. I asked him about Katty Scannell in

    Douglas,and he said she was a First Cousin of his Mothers,Katty was a first  cousin of my fathers,so would that mean that there was another brother  for our Tim(married to Casey),and the the John Scannell,grand father of  Lynes.Maybe you are right with the Michael Scannell that you thought was

    Tims brother.John Lyne said he wouldask more questions and let me know. (Yes,  I was right here, this makes sense.

    ii.                  Ellen Scannell. She was born on 17 Sep 1892 in Killarney.


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    Notes for Ellen Scannell:  General Notes:

    I rang John Lyne to night,and I think maybe he added to the confusion  about our relations.He didnt know too much,but he said his grand father John  Scannell,came from Killarney and not  Douglas,His Mothers name was Ellie  (Ellen),His aunts were Mollie (another name for Mary),Maggie and Nora.  His Uncles wereTady (Tim),Mick, and Denis,This Denis is the father of  John Scannell on the Ring of Kerry. He said the most of his uncles and  Aunts went to America. I asked him about Katty Scannell in

    Douglas,and he said she was a First Cousin of his Mothers,Katty was a first  cousin of my fathers,so would that mean that there was another brother  for our Tim(married to Casey),and the the John Scannell,grand father of  Lynes.Maybe you are right with the Michael Scannell that you thought was

    Tims brother.John Lyne said he wouldask more questions and let me know. (Yes,  I was right here, this makes sense.

    thay also had Jeremiah born Jan 5, 1967 pg 282 same place.

    iii.                 Nora Scannell. She was born on 11 Jan 1894 in Killarney.

    Notes for Nora Scannell:  General Notes:

    Vol 14 pg 234 James Shea / Mary Shea Witnesses.

    iv.                Timothy Scannell. He was born on 07 Jun 1891 in Boherkeale.

    Notes for Timothy Scannell:  General Notes:

    Vol 14 pg 217 Pat and Nora Querin witnesses to birth.  There was a Timothy  Scannell that was 23 in 1914 that came to new york to stay with cousin Patrick  Cashman.  The nearest relative from Ireland was Mr. and Mrs. Jeremiah Scannell  killarney.  See immigration records on hard drive.  Place of birth Killarney , last   place of residence Killarney.  Actually, it says Mother, Mrs. Jeremiah Scannell.  THe boat came in in May 1914 his birthday was June so he would have been  only 22.  This is not the right one.

    v.                  Mary (Mollie) Scannell. She was born on 15 Mar 1890 in Boherkeale.

    Notes for Mary (Mollie) Scannell:  General Notes:

    Vol 14 pg 209  Daniel and Bridget Brosnan witnesses to birth.  There was  a Mary  that came to ny age 23 in 1913 with father John from Listowel?  Ellis island  records..h

    vi.                Margaret "Maggie" Scannell. She was born on 08 Jun 1897.

    Notes for Margaret "Maggie" Scannell:  General Notes:

    Vol 14 pg 258  Ellen Donohue and Jeremiah Meara were witnesses.  Born  Margaret Mary Scannell


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    vii.               Michael Scannell. He was born on 09 Sep 1888 in Boherkeale.

    Notes for Michael Scannell:  General Notes:

    Vol 14 pg 200 james Shea witness

    I found immigration papers but, it has father Jeremiah, staying with Brother John  at the same address that Timothy stayed with cousin Patrick Cashman.  Both  ages were 1 year off.  They could have asked just birth year and that would give  the right age for both.

    12.              Mary Scannell-4 (Denis Scannell-3, William Scannell-2, Scannells from Douglas-1). She was born  Abt. 1856 in 1911 census.

    Notes for Mary Scannell:  General Notes:

    There is a Mary Scannell in the 1911 Census.  Her age is 55 in 1911 which makes her born in  1856.   It says that Michael is the landlord so, I think this is Michael her brother.

    In the 1901 census she is living with her parents and single.  Age 45.

    She may not have married Daniel Kissane.  But there was a Daniel Kissane as a witness to  Timothy and Ellen's marriage

    Hi Paul.

    John Lyne rang me to night,before I got your email.I asked him if he knew  his grandmothers name,that would be Ellen Scannell's mother,but he didnt  know.When  I mentioned that you had Shea and Kissane married to John  Scannell,he said it could be Kissane. There was a Danny Kissane living in  Killorglin (now dead),who was related to my father, John Lyne said to me  tonight that Danny's father was a first cousin of his mother Ellen,and thats  why he thought his grandmother was Kissane.But sure that wouldnt leave

    Danny Kissane related to my father,or would it. I think Danny was a cousin of my fathers and that  his grandmother was Scannell maybe a sister of John,Timothy and Michael,I must ask Mary  Walsh about that.

    Daniel (Guess) Kissane.

    Notes for Daniel (Guess) Kissane:  General Notes:

    There was a Daniel Kissane as a witness to Tim and Ellen's marriage.  John Scannell Timothy's  brother was the other witness.  It makes sense that his sister's husband would be the other  witness.

    Daniel (Guess) Kissane and Mary Scannell. They had 3 children.

    i.                    Danny Kissane.

    Notes for Danny Kissane:  General Notes:

    possibly:  Daniel Kissane

    Male    ------------------------------------------------------------------------------


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    Event(s):

    Birth:  16 JUL 1874  Killarney, Killorglin, Kerry, Ireland

    ----------------------------------------------------------------------------

    Parents:

    Father:

    Daniel Kissane  Family

    Mother:

    Johanna Sullivan

    Hi Paul.

    John Lyne rang me to night,before I got your email.I asked him if he knew  his grandmothers name,that would be Ellen Scannell's mother,but he didnt  know.When  I mentioned that you had Shea and Kissane married to John  Scannell,he said it could be Kissane. There was a Danny Kissane living in  Killorglin (now dead),who was related to my father, John Lyne said to me  tonight that Danny's father was a first cousin of his mother Ellen,and thats  why he thought his grandmother was Kissane.But sure that wouldnt leave  Danny Kissane related to my father,or would it. I think Danny was a cousin of my  fathers and that his grandmother was Scannell maybe a sister of John,Timothy  and Michael,I must ask Mary Walsh about that.

    ii.                  Patrick Cashman.

    Notes for Patrick Cashman:  General Notes:

    There was a Tim Scannell that came to NY to stay with cousin Patrick Cashman  in NY.  I believe this Tim was the son of John and Margaret Shea.

    iii.                 Nellie Cashman.

    Notes for Nellie Cashman:  General Notes:

    Aunt Cathy remembers her and her son Donald.

    I just found out that Cashman is an anglicized version of Kissane.  There was a  Daniel Kissane as a witness to Timothy and Ellen's wedding.  Seamus told me  his dad had a cousin Danny Kissane in Killorglin and the letter from Aut Cathy  said that Denis had a cousin Nellie Cashman.

    Ellen CASHMAN  Birth  Date: 15 Jan 1895  Death Date: 18 Jan 1993

    Social Security Number:  098-01-1457

    State or Territory Where Number Was Issued:  New York

    Death Residence Localities

    ZIP Code: 11570

    Localities:  Lakeview, Nassau, New York

    Rockville Center, Nassau, New York

    Rockville Centre, Nassau, New York

    Rockville Ctr, Nassau, New York

    Ellen CASHMAN

    Birth Date: 8 Jun 1901

    Death Date: 3 Jul 1990

    Social Security Number:  112-18-5917


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    State or Territory Where Number Was Issued:  New York

    Elaine CASHMAN  Birth Date: 2 Aug 1922  Death Date: Aug 1982

    Social Security Number:  112-20-1995

    State or Territory Where Number Was Issued:  New York

    Death Residence Localities

    ZIP Code: 12550

    Localities:  Balmville, Orange, New York

    Middle Hope, Orange, New York

    Newburgh, Orange, New York

    Roseton, Orange, New York

    Town, Orange, New York

    West Newburgh, Orange, New York

    There was a Patrick Cashman that Ellis Island records show had Scannell  cousins coming to stay with him.  THis could be Nellie's dad?

    Patrick CASHMAN  Birth Date: 10 Sep 1890  Death Date: Dec 1983

    Social Security Number:  072-01-2322

    State or Territory Where Number Was Issued:  New York

    Death Residence Localities

    ZIP Code: 10591

    Localities:  Mount Pleasant, Westchester, New York

    North Tarrytown, Westchester, New York

    Philipse Manor, Westchester, New York

    Pocantico Hills, Westchester, New York

    Sleepy Hollow Manor, Westchester, New York

    Tarrytown, Westchester, New York

    13.              Johanna Scannell-4 (Denis Scannell-3, William Scannell-2, Scannells from Douglas-1). She was  born Abt. 1859 in Doughlas, Killorglin Parish, County Kerry.

    Notes for Johanna Scannell:  General Notes:

    There was a John and Johanna McKenna in the 1911 census.  She was 52 he was 54.  They had  a  daughter Johanna who was 13 which makes her birthdate ~ 1898.

    There was a Joanna Scannell who was the Godmother of Michael's son Denis.  This could be the  one...aunt would make sense.  Could be Grandmother...

    There also was a Hannah which was the witness to John and Margaret Shea's son Denis.  Also  with Denis the other witness was Michael.  This would make Aunt and Uncle to father the  witnesses.  This makes sense.  Also Seamus said that the Daniel Foley he met had a  grandmother that was Hannah Scannell with Brother Jeremiah.

    I was back to Douglas last nite,and I met a relation of the 3rd Scannell


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    family,he says all the 3 Scannells are related, His Grandmother was Johanna Scannell (she had a   brother Jerry) and she married McKenna,and their daughter Johanna married Foley and would be  parents of the man I met last nite..

    I asked him if he had any idea who our Denis was married to,and he said it

    might be Mary Shea,you had that too. He was to the Church in Killorglin and Mary told him it was  one of the priest's that burned some of the records. I gave him your email, as his wife has a  computer,and ye might be able to sort out some more information.

    His own name and Adress is  Daniel Foley

    30 Louds Court,  Abington  Ma.02351.

    John McKenna. He was born Abt. 1857.

    Notes for John McKenna:  General Notes:

    1911 census has a Guessing on John.  There was a John and Johanna McKenna in the 1911  census.  She was 52 he was 54.  They had a daughter Johanna who was 13 which makes her  birthdate ~ 1898.

    He is the McKenna on Lot 3c?

    John McKenna and Johanna Scannell. They had 1 child.

    i.                    Johanna McKenna. She was born Abt. 1898 in Doughlas, Killorglin Parish,  County Kerry.

    Notes for Johanna McKenna:  General Notes:

    1911 census has a Guessing on John.  There was a John and Johanna McKenna  in the 1911 census.  She was 52 he was 54.  They had a daughter Johanna who  was 13 which makes her birthdate ~ 1898.

    He is the McKenna on Lot 3c?

    14.              Jeremiah Scannell-4 (Michael Scannell-3, Andreas Scannell-2, Scannells from Douglas-1). He  was born Abt. 1820. He died Abt. 1888 in Douglas.

    Notes for Jeremiah Scannell:  General Notes:

    Paul

    The marriage records of the early 19th century do not give the names of the parents of the bride  and groom but do give the witnesses.

    In the case of the marriage of Jeremiah Scannell and Catherine Sheehan, the witnesses were  John Sheehan, Michael Scannell and Edmund Sheehan.

    Regards  Mary

    This makes me believe that Michael could have been Jeremiah's dad.  But there is no Jeremiah  born to Michael and Mary Kerrisk in the church records. There is a son of Jeremiah named


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    Michael and a daughter named Mary (named after grandfather/grandmother).  No William as a  child.  Issue is that Michael and Mary have a number of children in the church records but none of  them are Jeremiah.  Also, there is a Denis born in 1821 and Jeremiah is born after so, why is he  getting the land?

    Lot 6B

    1853 Jeremiah Scannell  (this is Jeremiah)

    1888 Timothy Scannell

    1895 6a,b,c,d were renumbered

    6cd - John Coffey (now called 6Ba)  John was also on 6a  6b    Timothy Scannell (now called 6ABbc)

    1906 6ABbc  Timothy Scannell- no longer belonging to Sir R. Blunnerhassett  1926 6ABbc Ellen Scannell

    1932 resized

    1943 6ABbc Andrew Scannell

    1975 6ABbc Mr and Mrs James Walsh

    1975 Also 6BA - Stephen and Jeremiah Coffey to John Coffey  Today:

    6ABbc - Mary Walsh  6BA - John Coffey  7,8,9 - JC Costello.

    Denis and Michael (land owners 1834) both had sons named Andrew.  Also Jeremiah, son of   William) had an Andrew as a son.  Just a coincidence?  Or could this be the landowners dad's  name?

    Also Jeremiah, son of William, took over lots 6c and 6d in 1860 he left the house for John Clifford.

    Mary Scannell was on 6c then transfered to Timothy Scannell but no record of transfer.  He is plan  of record in 1860.

    6d was John Sheahan then to Jeremiah in 1859.  Then it was Andrew as plan of record in 1860.  Then Jeremiah took over soon after and left house for Clifford.

    I believe that John Sheahan was Catherine (his wife's) dad and Jeremiah took over the land.  Patrick Sheahan may have been John's brother and lived longer.

    Jeremiah Scannell & Catherine Sheehan12/2/1839  (This was one of 31 marriages on celebrated on that date!)

    John Sheehan  Michael Scannell  Edward Sheehan

    Catherine Sheehan is the daughter of John Sheehan. Her birth Bet. Apr 1815–Mar 1816 in  Doughlas, Killorglin Parish, County Kerry (According to 1901 census).

    Notes for Catherine Sheehan:  General Notes:

    THere was a John Sheehan on lot 6d in 1858, this transfered to Jeremiah Scannell 1858/1859.  Catherine could be related to John Sheehan.  Jeremiah being Catherine's husband.

    According to 1901 census she was 85 in 1901 living with son Timothy and his wife Ellen.  She  was born about 1816.


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    -----Original Message-----

    From: St. James Parish [mailto:killorglinparish@eircom.net]  Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2004 1:58 AM  To: paulscannell@cox.net

    Subject: Scanell Family  Paul

    As promised - albeit a bit later than anticipated!

    The marriage records of the early 19th century do not give the names of the parents of the bride  and groom but do give the witnesses.

    In the case of the marriage of Jeremiah Scannell and Catherine Sheehan, the witnesses were  John Sheehan, Michael Scannell and Edmund Sheehan.

    Hope that fills in another piece of the jigsaw!  Regards

    Mary Clifford

    The Michael Scannell could be the father, brother or cousin.?

    Jeremiah Scannell and Catherine Sheehan. They were married on 12 Feb 1839 in St. James  Parish, Killorglin County Kerry. They had 8 children.

    i.                    Timothy "Thady" Scannell. He was born on 24 Mar 1849 in Douglas. He  married Ellen Coffey. They were married on 01 Jan 1888 in Killoglin, County  Kerry. He died 1917 in Killorglin, County Kerry. He was also known as Thady.

    Notes for Timothy "Thady" Scannell:  General Notes:

    From 1911 Census: Timothy (61), Ellen (44), Dermot (22), Michael (20), Katie  (18), Timothy (14), Mary (13), Andrew (8), Patrick (7), Julia (2).

    Lot 6B

    1853 Jeremiah Scannell  (this is Jeremiah)

    1888 Timothy Scannell

    1895 6a,b,c,d were renumbered

    6cd - John Coffey (now called 6Ba)  John was also on 6a  6b    Timothy Scannell (now called 6ABbc)

    1906 6ABbc  Timothy Scannell- no longer belonging to Sir R. Blunnerhassett  1926 6ABbc Ellen Scannell

    1932 resized

    1943 6ABbc Andrew Scannell

    1975 6ABbc Mr and Mrs James Walsh

    1975 Also 6BA - Stephen and Jeremiah Coffey to John Coffey  Today:

    6ABbc - Mary Walsh  6BA - John Coffey  7,8,9 - JC Costello.

    Denis and Michael (land owners 1834) both had sons named Andrew.  Also  Jeremiah, son of William) had an Andrew as a son.  Just a coincidence?  Or  could this be the landowners dad's name?

    Also Jeremiah, son of William, took over lots 6c and 6d in 1860 he left the house   for John Clifford.


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    Mary Scannell was on 6c then transfered to Timothy Scannell but no record of  transfer.  He is plan of record in 1860.

    6d was John Sheahan then to Jeremiah in 1859.  Then it was Andrew as plan of  record in 1860.  Then Jeremiah took over soon after and left house for Clifford.  I believe that John Sheahan was Catherine (his wife's) dad and Jeremiah took  over the land.  Patrick Sheahan may have been John's brother and lived longer.

    Per Sr. Helen's Tree, Timothy married Bridge Cookey who died without any  offspring.  THen he married Ellen Coffey.

    Scannells in Kiloglin  Author: Edward Margerum   Surnames: Scannell, Coffey

    I am searching for information on John Scannell (d. ca 1914) and his wife, Ellen  (Eileen) Coffey of Douglas, Kilorglin, County Kerry who had 13 children: Dennis,  Edward, Gerald, John, Kathleen, Mary (Mamie), Michael, Stephen, Timothy,  Sheila (Julia), Siobhan, Paddy and Andrew, all born between 1890-1914. Gerry  and Mick died in Queensland before 1947. Tim and Paddy died in New York  before 1970 where Sheila still lives. Mamie and Stephen died in Ireland where  Andy still lives. The rest died before maturity. They also had an adopted son,  John Griffin of whom nothing is known. I can supply much information forward but  nothing back from John and Ellen. Any information would be appreciated.

    He may be buried in the same grave as his son. Timothy Scannell in the Killorglin  graveyard. (Dromavally) Terry told me that they had to move his remains to get  Tim (1967) in.

    Lived in Douglas when his son Denis was born (1899).  The death date  is 1914  according to Ed.  A farmer, he brought and owned the family farm in Kilorglin,  County Kerry, Ireland.  It has been said that he was not originally from the  Kilorglin area.  (not sure about this - Paul)

    ii.                  Andrew Scannell.

    Notes for Andrew Scannell:  General Notes:  Named after great uncle?

    iii.                 Michael Scannell. He was born on 06 Jan 1863 in Killorglin.

    Notes for Michael Scannell:  General Notes:  Named after Grandfather?

    Emigrated to Australia in 1883?  Possibly with a brother.

    iv.                Margaret Scannell.

    v.                  Mary Scannell. She was born on 21 Aug 1842 in Douglas. She died on 01 Apr   1921 in Mount Falvey, Williamstown, County Cork.

    Notes for Mary Scannell:  General Notes:


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    Church record on birth, Maria.  She could be named after mother.

    vi.                 Jeremiah Scannell.

    Notes for Jeremiah Scannell:  General Notes:

    Named after father? Would be the 3rd son.

    vii.               Denis Scannell. He was born 1848. He died 1882.

    Notes for Denis Scannell:  General Notes:

    Also this tombstone in Killorglin:

    Erected by T.J. Scannell, in loving memory of his father Denis, died 1882 aged 34  years. RIP

    viii.              Joanna Scannell. She was born on 28 Mar 1845 in Douglas.

    Notes for Joanna Scannell:  General Notes:  Chuch record on birth

    Sources

    1          jmuller.ged, Date of Import: Sep 5, 2002.

    2          muller.FTW, Date of Import: Oct 16, 2002.

    3          Scannell Douglas.FTW, Date of Import: Dec 29, 2005.

    4          casey.FTW, Date of Import: Jun 30, 2002.