Scannell Family Website
Intro
Register Report for Scannells from Douglas
Generation 1
1.
Scannells from Douglas-1.
Notes for
Scannells from Douglas: General
Notes:
This is a
placeholder for the relationship between these three Scannell branches. This makes, Denis, WM and Michael look like
brothers but I am not sure of the relationship.
THe 1659
Pender's Census (Seamus Pender) has 6 Scannells living in Aglish Parish (barony
of Maguinihy MAQUINIHY). Also it has 6 Irish people living in
Duglassy (Douglas) in Killorglin Parish
(barony of Trughanac). I
have not been able to figure out the names of the 6 individuals just the totals. It is not in the Casey Collection. The Church of LDS has the Census
book. I have teh REport on the Census. Also this website shows some of the
data: The Church of LDS Census book did not have any additional
information.
http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~irlker/census16b.html
KILORGLIN
PARRISH Duglassy 6
6
Page 1 of 32 Wednesday, June 24, 2009 9:29:41 AM
Register Report for Scannells from Douglas
|
|
|
|
Generation 1 (con't) |
|
1. |
Scannells from Douglas and unknown spouse. They had 3 children. | ||
|
|
2. |
i. |
Denis Scannell. He died Bef. 1853. |
|
|
3. |
ii. |
William Scannell. |
|
|
4. |
iii. |
Andreas Scannell. He was born Abt. 1775 in Douglas?. |
Generation 2
2.
Denis Scannell-2 (Scannells from Douglas-1). He
died Bef. 1853.
Notes for Denis
Scannell: General Notes:
Land owner in
1834. He had a son Andrew which
could be the land owner in 1853.
The timeframe works.
Ellena Sullivan. She died Bet. 1863–1879.
Notes for Ellena
Sullivan: General Notes:
This could be
the Ellen as the land owner in 1853
6g. This would mean that Denis had
died between 1834 and 1853 and
Ellen was in the house on 6g. Their
child Andrew woudl stay in 3f.
Land Records
Chronological: 1853
6g Ellen
Scannell (House only)
1858 slight
renumbering for lots 6. James
Cahalane (took over for William Clifford?) on land was not given a letter
6f Ellen
Scannell (was 6g)
1860 -1863
6f Ellen
Scannell but owner now Jeremiah Scannell (houses)
1863- 1879
6f - Ellen
Scannell -gone - looks like house is gone. same with 6e. Doesn't say what year.
Page 2 of 32 Wednesday, June 24, 2009 9:29:42 AM
Register Report for Scannells from Douglas
Generation 2 (con't)
Denis Scannell and Ellena Sullivan. They had 3 children.
5.
i.
Andrew Scannell. He was born on
10 Aug 1801. He married Joanna Sullivan. They were
married on 15 Apr 1828 in Killorglin. He died Abt. 1880 in Douglas.
ii.
Joanna Scannell. She was born on 26 Oct 1799.
Notes for Joanna
Scannell: General Notes: Church Records
iii.
Mary Scannell. She was born 1791 in Killarney
(Family Search).
Notes for Mary
Scannell: General Notes: Family Search.
3.
William Scannell-2 (Scannells from Douglas-1).
Notes for
William Scannell: General Notes:
Best Guess here
is William because the other land owners in 1834, Mike and Denis, are better
fits elsewhere. He would be on Lot 3B Land Records
x?.
William
Scannell and x?. They had 1 child.
6.
i.
Denis Scannell. He was born
Abt. 1814 in Douglas. He married Ellen Riordan. They were
married on 18 Feb 1849 in St. James Church. He died Abt. 1907 in Off land records.
4.
Andreas Scannell-2 (Scannells from Douglas-1). He
was born Abt. 1775 in Douglas?.
Notes for
Andreas Scannell: General Notes:
Marriage and
Maria's birth from St. James Parish records.
Juliana Teahan.
Andreas
Scannell and Juliana Teahan. They had 2 children.
i.
Maria Scannell. She was born on 08 May 1799 in
Duglas.
7.
ii. Michael
Scannell. He was born
Abt. 1790 in Douglas?. He died Bef. 1853.
Generation 3
Page 3 of 32 Wednesday, June 24, 2009 9:29:42 AM
Register Report for Scannells from Douglas
Generation 3 (con't)
5.
Andrew Scannell-3 (Denis Scannell-2, Scannells from
Douglas-1). He was born on 10 Aug 1801.
He
died Abt. 1880 in Douglas.
Notes
for Andrew Scannell: General Notes:
There
was an Andrew who was a landowner in 1853.
Andrew married Sullivan had a Denis. There was a Denis in the census 1901.
In
1880 the land ownership was transfered to Denis (Andy). They called him Andy. Lot 3F
1853
Andrew Scannell
1880
Denis Scannell
1881
Patrick Costello
1894
Denis Scannell
1914
John Scannell
1931
Mary Scannell
1932
Patrick Costello
1938
Mary Scannell
1959
Michael J. Scannell
1975
Denis Scannell (There is a Mrs Hannah in there too for some reason) - This is
Mrs Hannah Scannell ( wife of
Michael John)
Today:
3f - Denis Scannell
Andrew Scannell & Joanna Sullivan wedding date 15/4/1828
Witnesses
Margaret Scannell
Denis Crone (?Crone?is a nickname)
Joanna Sullivan.
Notes for Joanna Sullivan: General Notes:
Married in St. James Parish.
Joanna Sullivan and Andrew Scannell. They were married on 15 Apr 1828 in Killorglin. They had 5 children.
i.
Timothy Scannell. He was born on 23 Sep 1829.
ii.
Dermetius Scannell. He was born on 06 Jul 1832.
Notes
for Dermetius Scannell: General
Notes:
Lot
3b 1880 change frm Denis Scannell to James Scannell back to Denis Scannell.
This
can also be James. This is the only
James around. There was a land change in 1880 from Denis to James and
then back to Denis in 1882.
Page 4 of 32 Wednesday, June 24, 2009 9:29:42 AM
Register Report for Scannells from Douglas
Generation 3 (con't)
iii.
Michael Scannell. He was born on 10 Apr 1835.
Notes for
Michael Scannell: General Notes:
There was a
Michael that married Margaret Sheehan and had a Denis in 1859. Could this be him? His brother also married Sheehan.
iv.
Andrew Scannell. He was born on 29 Jun 1838.
8.
v. Denis
Andrew Scannell. He was born on
10 Sep 1826 in Douglas. He married Johanna Sheehan.
They were married 1866. He died 1914 in Douglas - off land records.
6.
Denis Scannell-3 (William
Scannell-2, Scannells from Douglas-1). He was born Abt. 1814 in Douglas. He died Abt. 1907 in Off land
records.
Notes for Denis
Scannell: General Notes:
Lot 3B
1853 Denis
Scannell
1880 James
Scannell - not sure where he is coming from? - Only James was a (Demetrius son
of Andrew and Joanna
Sullivan). Maybe older brother to
Michael and Timothy (just no birth records
like Timothy)
1882 Denis
Scannell (original Denis?)
1886 Denis
Scannell - original 1853?
1909 Michael
Denis Scannell
1913 John
Scannell - This could be the brother of Tim and Michael, son of Denis Scannell
- Witness to Tim and Ellen Casey
marriage)
1914 Michael
D. Scannell
1926
Catherine Scannell
1959 Timothy
Scannell Denis M Scannell 1961 Kathleen Scannell 1974 Catherine Scannell 1974 lot 3b was split up to
3b1 - Catherine
Scannell was in the house; house is still in valuation records but ruined. 3b2 John B. Costelloe was on the land
then to John C. Costello 1976
Today:
3b1 -
Catherine Scannell
3b2 - John C.
Costello
The reason why I
believe that Michael, Timothy and John are brothers (sons of this Denis) is
because of this:
1. From Cynthia Scannell Hi Paul,
I've been cleaning out closets, getting ready for our move. I came across an email from my husband's first cousin John Schmidt (his mother is Helen Scannell Schmidt, grandfather is Dennis Scannell, great-grandfather Michael Scannell). I had forgotten about this email, but it confirms that the Timothy buried in the Killorglin cemetery is indeed the brother to our Dennis Scannell. John is a Catholic priest in Chicago
Page 5 of 32 Wednesday, June 24, 2009 9:29:42 AM
Register Report for Scannells from Douglas
Generation 3 (con't)
2. From Seamus:
I asked him about Katty Scannell in
Douglas,and he said she was a First Cousin of his Mothers,Katty was a first cousin of my fathers,so would that mean that there was another brother for our Tim(married to Casey),and the the John Scannell,grand father of Lynes.Maybe you are right with the Michael Scannell that you thought was Tims brother.John Lyne said he wouldask more questions and let me know. (Yes, I was right here, this makes sense.
3. Timothy had listed Denis as his father in 1894 marriage certificate from Douglas. There were two Denises the other Denis is in the other tree.
Denis Scannell & Ellen Riordan marriage date 18/2/1849 Witnesses
John Cloovane (Clifford) Michael Custelloe (Costello(e)
Ellen Riordan is the daughter of Patrick Foley and Mary. She was born Abt. 1930 in Doughlas, Killorglin Parish, County Kerry.
Notes for Ellen Riordan: General Notes:
In the 1901 Census it has Ellen as the wife of Denis. The ages are the same. It has Mary as a daughter. Michael's birth is in the church records. Michael is the land owner of their (Denis and Ellen) in the 1901 census.
Birthdate from teh census. 70 years old in 1901.
I was back to Douglas last nite,and I met a relation of the 3rd Scannell
family,he says all the 3 Scannells are related, His Grandmother was Johanna Scannell (she had a brother Jerry) and she married McKenna,and their daughter Johanna married Foley and would be parents of the man I met last nite..
I asked him if he had any idea who our Denis was married to,and he said it
might be Mary Shea,you had that too. He was to the Church in Killorglin and Mary told him it was one of the priest's that burned some of the records. I gave him your emai,as his wife has a computer,and ye might be able to sort out some more information.
His own name and Adress is Daniel Foley
30 Louds Court, Abington Ma.02351.
Mary makes sense here. Each of the granddaughters was named Mary.
Now maybe more confusion,while cleaning and painting this week, I came across a bit of paper,where I was trying to do a family tree for my brother Denis a few years ago,I got a lot of the information from Steven Scannell(now dead),he would be Mary's uncle and one of the 13.
In it I have Jane as Ellen Caseys mother,but he had no surname,which I know now is Spillane,thanks to you..Then on the Scannell side,he gave Timothy Scannells (my Grandfather), fathers name as Denis,and he gave Mary as the mother.Whether he was right or wrong now I dont know.
Page 6 of 32 Wednesday, June 24, 2009 9:29:42 AM
Register Report for Scannells from Douglas
Generation 3 (con't)
Kevin Griffin also thought Mary was the name.
Denis Scannell and Ellen Riordan. They were married on 18 Feb 1849 in St. James Church. They had 5 children.
9.
i.
Michael Denis Scannell[1, 2]. He was born on
14 Sep 1850 in Doughlas, Killorglin Parish, County
Kerry. He married Catherine ( Katie) Corkerry. They were married Bef. 1886. He died 1926 in Douglas.
10.
ii. Timothy
Scannell. He was born
Abt. 1857 in Douglas, County Kerry. He married Ellen Casey.
They were married on 03 Apr 1894 in Milltown, County Kerry. He died on 19 Nov 1947 in Killarney, County
kerry, Ireland. Burial in Killorglin
Graveyard.
11.
iii. John
Scannell. He was born
Abt. 1860 in Killarney?. He died 1914 in Douglas.
12.
iv. Mary
Scannell. She was born
Abt. 1856 in 1911 census.
13.
v. Johanna
Scannell. She was born
Abt. 1859 in Doughlas, Killorglin Parish, County Kerry.
7.
Michael Scannell-3 (Andreas
Scannell-2, Scannells from Douglas-1). He was born Abt. 1790 in Douglas?. He died Bef. 1853.
Notes for
Michael Scannell: General Notes:
Paul
As promised -
albeit a bit later than anticipated!
The marriage
records of the early 19th century do not give the names of the parents of the
bride and groom but do give the
witnesses.
In the case of
the marriage of Jeremiah Scannell and Catherine Sheehan, the witnesses were John Sheehan, Michael Scannell and
Edmund Sheehan.
Hope that fills
in another piece of the jigsaw!
Regards
Mary Clifford
Can this be
the Michael Scannell as a witness to Jeremiah's wedding??
Michael makes
sense. THere was a landowner
Michael in Douglas in 1834. His
first born was Denis in 1821. He would inherit the land. That would make him 36 when he had
Timothy. This Denis would also be the Denis in 1853.
Denis' first
born was named Timothy. Michael's
first born was named Timothy.
Second was Denis.
Potential
parents of Michael are:
Andrew and
Juliana Teahan. Church records have
these two having a child in 1799 (Maria), but no
Michael. although the
timeframe would work out. Also,
their kids include are Andrew( named
after grandfather), a Juliana (named after grandma) and a Mary named
after her aunt. Long shot... But, Denis (land) doesn't work here.
Page 7 of 32 Wednesday, June 24, 2009 9:29:42 AM
Register Report for Scannells from Douglas
Generation 3 (con't)
Mary Kerrisk. She died Abt. 1860.
Notes for Mary Kerrisk: General Notes:
This Mary could be the land owner in 1853. - After Michael died. Michael would have died before 1853 and changed hands to Mary. (6d) However, you would think they would be the land they gave their kid. Kid on 3b.
I don't think this is the Mary because it is lot 6d instead of a 3X. The mary on the land must be
from the other line...
1853
6d Mary Scannell (HOL)
1858 slight renumbering for lots 6. James Cahalane (took over for William Clifford?) on land was not given a letter
6c Mary Scannell (was 6d)
1860 -1863
6cd was Timothy and Andrew now - John Clifford (60/61) but only a house. Jeremiah got the land. Probably a relationship between Jeremiah and Mary. Or convenient because of proximity. No transfer record of 6c from Mary to Timothy. Or on 6D to Andrew.
Maybe Mary and Michael were Jeremiah's parents? And William was Denis' Dad. Also, There was a Michael Scannell that was a witness at Jeremiah and Catherine Sheehan's wedding. Michael could be Jeremiah's dad.
Michael Scannell and Mary Kerrisk. They had 9 children.
i.
Mary Scannell. She was born on 15 Aug 1816 in
Douglas.
ii.
Joanna Scannell. She was born on 08 May 1814 in
Douglas.
iii.
Juliana Scannell. She was born on 28 Mar 1818 in
Douglas.
iv.
Margareta Scannell. She was born on 30 Jun 1824 in
Douglas.
v.
Mauritius Scannell. He was born on 19 Feb 1827 in
Douglas.
vi.
Andrew Scannell. He was born on 12 May 1830 in
Douglas.
Notes for Andrew
Scannell: General Notes:
Lots 6c in
1860 could be him. This is where
Mary his mother was living.
vii.
Timothy Scannell. He was born on 18 Dec 1832 in
Douglas.
Notes for
Timothy Scannell: General Notes:
Lot 6d, this
could be him. His mother was in 6c,
Jeremiah took over 6d for a short
time.
Page 8 of 32 Wednesday, June 24, 2009 9:29:42 AM
Register Report for Scannells from Douglas
Generation 3 (con't)
14.
viii. Jeremiah
Scannell. He was born
Abt. 1820. He married Catherine Sheehan. They were
married on 12 Feb 1839 in St. James Parish, Killorglin County Kerry. He died Abt. 1888 in Douglas.
ix.
Denis Scannell. He was born on
07 Nov 1821 in Doughlas, Killorglin Parish, County Kerry.
Generation 4
8.
Denis Andrew Scannell-4 (Andrew
Scannell-3, Denis Scannell-2, Scannells from Douglas-1). He was born on 10 Sep 1826 in Douglas. He
died 1914 in Douglas - off land records.
Notes for Denis Andrew Scannell: General Notes:
Denis death date is an estimate from the land records. This is the year that Michael Denis took over. Birthdate and parents from St. James records. However, the 1911 census has him at 88. He would have been 89 if this is the right birthdate (April 1911). It also says he was only married for 45 years (~1866). Married for the first time at 43? That is why I think there was a prior wife to Joanna.
There was a landowner Michael in Douglas in 1834. The first born was Denis in 1821. He would inherit the land.
March 1, 1853 had the following: Land records Casey collection Vol 5 pg 78
Andrew Scannell Garrane West Ellen Scannell in Douglas (Home) Mary Scannell in DOuglas (home, office land) Jeremiah - Douglas (HOL)
Andrew in Douglas (HOL) Denis in Douglas (HOL)
All the above rented from Sir Roland Blannerbassett.
Lot 3c
Timothy Sheehan
1884 Denis (Andy) Scannell
1886 John McKenna
Timothy may have been Johanna Sheehan's dad or brother, Andy took over for a couple years. Maybe his daughter married McKenna?
Summary by lots:
IN 1884 having Denis from the other Scannell Tree taking over the lot makes me believe there is a fairly tight relationship. Maybe Denis and Michael (landowners in 1834) were brothers?
This Denis had a son Michael, named after his father? Denis may be the oldest? A son Timothy, named after his brother and a daughter Joanna named after his sister.
Page 9 of 32 Wednesday, June 24, 2009 9:29:42 AM
Register Report for Scannells from Douglas
Generation 4 (con't)
Johanna Sheehan is the daughter of Timothy Sheehan.
Notes for Johanna Sheehan: General Notes:
I then changed it to Joahanna Sheehan married in 1866.
John was born ~1871 according to age at census. This would work.
THe 1911 census has Denis Andrew and a Johanna Scannell (age 78 together). Married for 45 years.
Father to Johanna, Timothy Sheehan, he was on 3c then it went to Denis (Andy) Scannell then to John McKenna.
Denis Andrew Scannell and Johanna Sheehan. They were married 1866. They had 1 child.
i.
John Scannell[3]. He was born
1871. He married Mary Foley. They were married on 24 Feb 1900 in St. James Parish,
Killorglin[3].
Notes for John
Scannell: General Notes:
Parish
Records: John's parents are given
as Denis Scannell and Mary Scannell
and Mary's parents as Patrick Foley and Mary Foley. (This was confirmed by Mary Clifford). This causes an issue. Denis Andrew was married to Joanne
from 1866 thru 1911 so, it can't be
his father.
From the 1911
Census:
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Kerry/Killorglin/Douglas/289331
/
Ages were as
follows: John 40, Mary 36, Denis
10, Hannah 8, mary 5.
Information from
Tombstone next to other Scannells.
John and Mary Foley, Michael
John Scannell son Douglas died July 18, 1965. Sister Julia Mary died Jan 15 1969 Catherine and Margaret
Patrick - 1964(baby), Hannah Scannell - wife mother 1996.
The two Denis candidates for John's father were born in 1826 which would Denis 45 when John was born, the other Denis Andrew was born in 1820 which would make him 50 when he was born. Not sure how to reconcile this.
Issue I have is that this land is that Denis Andy was on this land for 10 years.
The Andrew in 1853 makes sense...
The Denis Andrew Scannell from teh 1911 census has Johanna as the wife. Joanna married Denis Andrew in 1866 before John was born. Very confusing.
Lot 3f
1853 Andrew Scannell
1880 Denis Scannell (Andy)
Page 10 of 32 Wednesday, June 24, 2009 9:29:42 AM
Register Report for Scannells from Douglas
Generation 4 (con't)
1890 Patrick Costello
1894 Denis Scannell
1914 John Scannell
1931 Mary Scannell
1932 Patrick Costello
1938 Mary Scannell
1959 Michael J. Scannell
1975 Denis Scannell (There is a Mrs Hannah in there too, this is Mrs Hannah Scannell ( wife of Michael John Scannell)
Today:
3f - Denis Scannell
________________________________________
From: St. James Parish [mailto:killorglinparish@eircom.net] Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2006 4:28 AM
To: Paul Scannell Subject: Re: Thank You
Paul
I'm glad that you are enjoying success in your quest for the pieces of your family tree. It is lovely to make and meet family connections.
re John Scannell & Mary Foley:
John's parents are given as Denis Scannell and Mary Scannell and Mary's parents as Patrick Foley and Mary Foley. (This was confirmed by Mary Clifford). re School Records:
Old school attendance records are not kept centrally in our parish - rather each school has its own. There are four National Schools in our parish: Cromane, Glounaguillagh, Douglas and Scoil Mhuire (the town school). If you write to the Principal of any of the schools, they will be able to advise you of their records. I am not sure, however, if they would have time to search for information for you. The address would simply be: the school's name, Killorglin, Co. Kerry. Wishing you and your family all the best for 2006.
Regards Mary Clifford
Information found on tombstone next to the other Scannells See video. Also there baby Patrick died 1964. Hannah Scannell wife mother died 1996
Hi Paul
You are certainly not bothering me. Michael John Scannell was my Grandfather who died in 1965. His Sister Julia Mary came back from America and died in Killorglin. Patrick was my Uncle Denis's first born and Hannah Scannell was my Grandmother. They're my Scannells, but I'd say we're related somewhere along the line.
Chris
9.
Michael Denis Scannell-4 (Denis
Scannell-3, William Scannell-2, Scannells from Douglas-1)[1, 2]. He was born on 14 Sep 1850 in Doughlas,
Killorglin Parish, County Kerry. He died 1926 in Douglas.
Page 11 of 32 Wednesday, June 24, 2009 9:29:42 AM
Register Report for Scannells from Douglas
Generation 4 (con't)
Notes for Michael Denis Scannell: General Notes:
II believe this is Ellena Riordan is the mother, then he was born 14.09.1850 according to church records. Tthis coincides with teh 1911 census records.
Michael (61) Katie (56), Timothy (25), Denis (23), Julia (17), Ellie (15), Katie (11).
The 1911 census says that Michael and Catherine were only married for 18 years in 1911 (1893).
This also means that Michael had another wife who was the father of Timothy and Denis...
THe 1901 census has Michael (40) and Kate (36), However, this is only 10 years earlier (all the kids ages are in agreement). Since Michael could not read/write, I think they just did the math wrong.
In the 1901 census there is a Denis Scannell with a wife of Ellen. Ellen Riordan makes sense. Also, the land owner is this Michael Scannell. The have the lots next to each other. Mary, Michael's sister is living with Denis and Ellen.
Death estimate from when Catherine took over the land in 1926. His wife.
There was a Michael Scannell (brother?) and Hannah Scannell (sister of Denis) that were witnesses for the birth of Denis Scannell son of John Scannell married to Mgt Shea.
Lot 3B
1853 Denis Scannell
1880 James Scannell - not sure where he is coming from? - Only James was a (Demetrius son of Andrew and Joanna Sullivan). Maybe older brother to Michael and Timothy (just no birth records like Timothy)
1882 Denis Scannell (original Denis?)
1886 Denis Scannell - original 1853?
1909 Michael Denis Scannell
1913 John Scannell - This could be the brother of Tim and Michael, son of Denis Scannell - Witness to Tim and Ellen Casey marriage)
1914 Michael D. Scannell
1926 Catherine Scannell
1959 Timothy Scannell Denis M Scannell 1961 Kathleen Scannell 1974 Catherine Scannell 1974 lot 3b was split up to
3b1 - Catherine Scannell was in the house; house is still in valuation records but ruined. 3b2 John B. Costelloe was on the land then to John C. Costello 1976
Today:
3b1 - Catherine Scannell
3b2 - John C. Costello
Hi Paul,
I've been cleaning out closets, getting ready for our move. I came across an email from my husband's first cousin John Schmidt (his mother is Helen Scannell Schmidt, grandfather is Dennis Scannell, great-grandfather Michael Scannell). I had forgotten about this email, but it confirms that the Timothy buried in the Killorglin cemetery is indeed the brother to our Dennis Scannell. John is a Catholic priest in Chicago. Read on:
From Cynthia Scannell Subj: Scannell/Griffin
Date: 9/1/99 9:35:53 AM Pacific Daylight Time From: JKevin61 To: CScann
Page 12 of 32 Wednesday, June 24, 2009 9:29:42 AM
Register Report for Scannells from Douglas
Generation 4 (con't)
Dear Cynthia:
Hi and Greetings from Chicago! Uncle Dennis told me that you were working on family history/geneology so I searched 'Scannell' on the web and found you and Mike and the family. You"ve done a great job. I went to Ireland last year and visited the parish church were Mike's grandparents, Dennis and Julia, were baptized. I prevailed upon him to show me the parish records, which he did. Here is what I've found; you can add this to the family record. Scannell of Douglas Co. Kerry
Under the names of Michael Scannell and Catherine Corkerry are the names of their children: Timotheus -baptized 05.13.1886
Dionysius (Dennis) - (our grandfather) born 04.14.1888 baptized at St. James' Church, Killorglin 04.15.1888. Jeremiah Coffey and Joanna Scannell were the godparents.
Joanna -baptized 08.24.1890 Julia -baptized 05.07.1893 Helena -baptized 09.13.1896 Catharina -baptized 07.20.1900
Both Timothy and Catharina are buried at Killorglin cemetery c. 1950. Griffin of Glounagilliagh, Co. Kerry
Under the names of Patrick Griffin and Julia Corkerry are the names of their children: Michael- baptized 09.01.1881
Ellena -baptized 03.28.1885 Patrick -baptized 04.10.1887 Margarita -baptized 12.26.1889
Julia (our grandmother) born 05.02.1893, baptized on 05.07.1893.
Catherine ( Katie) Corkerry[1, 2]. She was born Abt. 1855.
Notes for Catherine ( Katie) Corkerry: General Notes:
Probably second wife to Michael due to 1911 census stating they were only married in 1893 or so..
There was a Bridget Corkerry (age 60 - born 1851) and a Mary Foley (age 70 born 1841) on the same land in the 1911 census. This is interesting because Corkerry and Foley are from different trees. It says Mary was a widow, Bridget a visitor.
Lot 3B
1853 Denis Scannell
1880 James Scannell - not sure where he is coming from? - Only James was a (Demetrius son of Andrew and Joanna Sullivan). Maybe older brother to Michael and Timothy (just no birth records like Timothy)
1882 Denis Scannell (original Denis?)
1886 Denis Scannell - original 1853?
1909 Michael Denis Scannell
1913 John Scannell - This could be the brother of Tim and Michael, son of Denis Scannell - Witness to Tim and Ellen Casey marriage)
1914 Michael D. Scannell
1926 Catherine Scannell
1959 Timothy Scannell Denis M Scannell 1961 Kathleen Scannell 1974 Catherine Scannell 1974 lot 3b was split up to
Page 13 of 32 Wednesday, June 24, 2009 9:29:42 AM
Register Report for Scannells from Douglas
Generation 4 (con't)
3b1 - Catherine Scannell was in the house; house is still in valuation records but ruined. 3b2 John B. Costelloe was on the land then to John C. Costello 1976
Today:
3b1 - Catherine Scannell
3b2 - John C. Costello
Michael Denis Scannell and Catherine ( Katie) Corkerry. They were married Bef. 1886. They had
6
children.
i.
Timothy Scannell. He was born on 13 May 1886. He
died on 26 May 1956.
Notes for
Timothy Scannell: General Notes:
Named after
his Uncle Timothy?
Buried in
Killorglin graveyard. On the
headstone it says:
Pray for the
soul of Timothy Scannell, died May 26, 1956 aged 70 years. RIP Erected by his sister Katty
(Katharina/Katie).
He is buried in the same grave as my great grandfather Timothy and Ellen Casey.. (see Seamus email 7/7/02):
1. From Seamus:
The Tim (1956) Scannell is buried in in Timothy Scannells and Ellens (Casey) grave and would be a 1st cousin of my father and Uncle Den.
2. I think Mary Scannell told him this (Mary is his cousin related through the Burkett sisters. Her brother (I think Uncle) had a lot of information on our family.
#1 and #2 are conflicting. Addiitonally. There is a Timothy on lot 3B who has the land in 1959 but this Timothy died in 1956. There may be another Timothy or I need to check the land record dates again....
1911 census has him here at age 25 son of Michael and Katie.
This could be the Timothy from the Muller website. On that she has a TImothy and Catherina born to Catherine Corkerry and MIchael Scannell in Douglas. There are other siblings as well:
Denis Michael SCANNELL b: 14 APR 1888 in Douglas, County Kerry, Ireland Timothy SCANNELL b: ABT. 12 MAY 1886
Joanna SCANNELL b: ABT. 23 AUG 1890 Julia SCANNELL b: ABT. 7 MAY 1896 Helena SCANNELL b: ABT. 12 SEP 1896 Catharina SCANNELL b. Abt. July 19, 1900.
I have since emailed Cynthia Scannell.
Lot 3B
1853 Denis Scannell
1880 James Scannell - not sure where he is coming from? - Demetrius - 1882 Denis Scannell Back to original Denis
1886 Denis Scannell - original 1853?
1909 Michael Denis
Page 14 of 32 Wednesday, June 24, 2009 9:29:42 AM
Register Report for Scannells from Douglas
Generation 4 (con't)
1913 John Scannell
1914 Michael D. Scannell
1926 Catherine
1959 Timothy XXX - this is the Timothy on the land. Denis M
1961 Kathleen
1974 Catherine Scannell
1974 lot 3b was split up to
3b1 - Catherine Scannell was in the house; house is still in valuation records but ruined.
3b2 John B. Costelloe was on the land then to John C. Costello 1976 Today:
3b1 - Catherine Scannell
3b2 - John C. Costello
Did Timothy Scannell have children... maybe that explains the other sin the land (Kathleen)??
ii.
Katharina ( Katie) Scannell[1, 2]. She was born Abt. 19 Jul 1900.
Notes for
Katharina ( Katie) Scannell:
General Notes:
This spelling
may be Katherina. On the headstone
it says:
Pray for the
soul of Timothy Scannell, died May 26, 1956 aged 70 years. RIP Erected by his sister Katty.
Lot 3B
1853 Denis
Scannell
1880 James
Scannell - not sure where he is coming from? - Only James was a (Demetrius son of Andrew and Joanna
Sullivan). Maybe older brother to
Michael and Timothy (just no
birth records like Timothy)
1882 Denis
Scannell (original Denis?)
1886 Denis
Scannell - original 1853?
1909 Michael
Denis Scannell
1913 John
Scannell - This could be the brother of Tim and Michael, son of Denis Scannell - Witness to Tim and Ellen
Casey marriage)
1914 Michael
D. Scannell
1926
Catherine Scannell
1959 Timothy
Scannell Denis M Scannell 1961 Kathleen Scannell 1974 Catherine Scannell 1974 lot 3b was split up to
3b1 - Catherine
Scannell was in the house; house is still in valuation records but ruined.
3b2 John B.
Costelloe was on the land then to John C. Costello 1976 Today:
3b1 -
Catherine Scannell
3b2 - John C.
Costello
iii.
Denis Michael Scannell[1, 2]. He was born on
14 Apr 1888 in Douglas, County
Kerry, Ireland[1, 2]. He died on 09
Oct 1959[1, 2].
Page 15 of 32 Wednesday, June 24, 2009 9:29:42 AM
Register Report for Scannells from Douglas
Generation 4 (con't)
Notes for Denis Michael Scannell: General Notes:
Jeremiah Coffey and Joanna Scannell were the godparents (Joanna could be Michael's sister / Denis' aunt).
Named after his Grandfather.
I have a copy of the birth certifiate from St. James Church in Killorglin.
It looks like he left for Berkeley, son born in 1929 in Berkeley. How is he on the land in 1959??
iv.
Joanna Scannell[1, 2]. She was born Abt. 23 Aug
1890[1, 2].
v.
Julia Scannell[1, 2]. She was born
Abt. 07 May 1894 in census records 1911 - 17 years old[1, 2].
vi. Helena ( Ellie) Scannell[1, 2]. She was born Abt. 12 Sep 1896 in census records[1,
2].
10.
Timothy Scannell-4 (Denis
Scannell-3, William Scannell-2, Scannells from Douglas-1). He was born Abt. 1857 in Douglas, County Kerry.
He died on 19 Nov 1947 in Killarney, County kerry, Ireland. Burial in Killorglin Graveyard.
Notes for
Timothy Scannell: General Notes:
According to
1911 Census he was 55 in 1911, Ellen was 45. This would be 1856/1857 for birthdate. This was April 1911. He was 90 in Nov 1957. So he was born between April and
Nov 1857
Link to
1911
Census:http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Kerry/Dromin/Coolroe__North/289960/ Ages of children: John, Ellen, Denis,
Jane (17, 15, 13, 10)
The census
also says they had 7 kids born alive but only 5 still alive in 1911. I see only 4.
Definitely born
Bef. April 03, 1873 according to marriage certificate. I looked in Vol 5 and Vol8 for Timothy child of Denis and there was
none n the GRO between 1864-1876.
Therefore, most likely
before 1864 or he was born somewhere else, although his marriage
certificate says he was from
Douglas!.
Most likely
could not read or write. He needed
to have marriage certificate read to him and marked an x for his name. Others filled his name in.
I found the
death certificate which states that he was 90 and died in 1947. It also says he was from Coolroe (when he died - Casey
farm)) Therefore 1857 may be the
correct date.
PG 301 Vol 5
Casey has their marriage. It says
Ellie was 23, from Coolroe. Ty.
from Doughlas. Parents John Casey
and Denis Scannell. Married in
Milltown. In the Barony of Magunihy, COunty Kerry.
He is buried in
with Ellen Casey and Tim Scannell 1956.
Tim Scannell from 1967 is buried in the grave next to this. That Tim Scannell has a plaque on the gable of the church.
(Dromavally)
Page 16 of 32 Wednesday, June 24, 2009 9:29:42 AM
Register Report for Scannells from Douglas
Generation 4 (con't)
Marriage notes from certificate: John Scannell (Brother?)and Daniel Kissane were the witnesses. The license also states Timothy from Doughlas and father Denis Scannell. Ellie Casey from Coolroe and father John Casey. Timothy, Denis and John were all farmers. Timothy Scannell was of full age (at least 21)? Ellie Casey was 23
The farm where Timothy came from has been sold.
Seamus has some notes of a family tree that he and Steven Scannell were working on. Steven (one of the 13) said that Seamus Great Grandfather was Denis Scannell (this matches this person) and wife as Mary.
I believe this is Timothy is the brother of Michael because of this email (maybe there are other facts too but, I forgot). The issue is I think Timothy's mom was Mary (maybe Johanna?) and Michael's mom was Ellen ?
Timothy son of Michael died 1956 is buried in the same grave as this Timothy and Ellen Casey.. (see Seamus email 7/7/02):
The Tim (1956) Scannell is buried in in Timothy Scannells and Ellens (Casey) grave and would be a 1st cousin of my father and Uncle Den.
I also kow that he was first cousins (possibly not - PS) with John Scannell's Seamus' dad. Seamus told me the person in the Killorglin graveyard with this inscription was his dad's first cousin. I think Mary Scannell told him this (Mary is his cousin related through the Burkett sisters. Her brother (I think Uncle) had a lot of information on our family.
For Timothy's mother:
Mary makes sense here. Each of the granddaughters was named Mary.
Now maybe more confusion,while cleaning and painting this week, I came across a bit of paper,where I was trying to do a family tree for my brother Denis a few years ago,I got a lot of the information from Steven Scannell(now dead),he would be Mary's uncle and one of the 13.
In it I have Jane as Ellen Caseys mother,but he had no surname,which I know now is Spillane,thanks to you..Then on the Scannell side,he gave Timothy Scannells (my Grandfather), fathers name as Denis,and he gave Mary as the mother.Whether he was right or wrong now I dont know.
Ellen Casey is the daughter of John Casey and Jane Spillane[4]. She was born Abt. 1867 in Coolroe, Kilbonane Parish, County Kerry. She was also known as Helena Casey. Burial in Killorglin Graveyard.
Notes for Ellen Casey: General Notes:
She was 45 years old in April 1911. Also known as Helena, Helen or Ellie
Married in the old chuch in Milltown. THe new one didn't open until Novermber 1894. (seamus).
From Seamus:
Last night I found the marriage agreement between John Casey, Timothy Scannell and Ellen Casey,made 28-2-1894. John Casey's wife's name is on it. Her name was Jane,It does not say her maiden name I will show it to you when you come home.There is a lot of scribbling on it, probably my father,your grandfather,and there two sisters. when they were young.One bit of scribbling on it says John Ellen Den Jane,more than likely the oldest to youngest,I asked a neighbour about the girls and he said Ellen went to
Page 17 of 32 Wednesday, June 24, 2009 9:29:42 AM
Register Report for Scannells from Douglas
Generation 4 (con't)
England,and died there at a young age also buried there.Jane also died young and is probably buried in Killorglin.
P. S.--- You can see from the marriage cert that Timothy Scannell could not write.He made an X you can see it betwen his name and written on it , his mark,it is also on the thing I have, Also on the thing I have, it says that it was read out to him,so he probably could not read either,so havent we come along way,wouldnt he have some counting in all his descendants, that are still living From our side 27 and on your side 50 and counting.
There was a Ellen Casey and a John Scannell as witnesses to Elizabeth Casey's wedding in 1893. pg 231
Timothy Scannell and Ellen Casey. They were married on 03 Apr 1894 in Milltown, County Kerry. They had 4 children.
Relationship Notes:
John Scannell (brother?) and Daniel Kissane were the witnesses. The license also states Timothy from Doughlas and father Denis Scannell. Ellie Casey from Coolroe and father John Casey. Timothy, Denis and John were all farmers. Timothy Scannell was of full age? Ellie Casey was 23 years old.
i.
Denis Joseph Scannell Sr.. He was born on
20 Aug 1898 in Coolroe, Milltown
Parish, County kerry, Ireland. He died on 18 Mar 1961 in New York, New
York. Burial on 22 Mar 1961 in
Gates of Heaven, Hawthorne New York. He married Nora M. Clifford. They were married in
Timothy Clifford and Nellie Clifford were witnesses. Address was 602 West
184th St / New York, New York /.
Notes for Denis
Joseph Scannell Sr.: General Notes:
Buried at Gates
of Heaven Hawthorne, NY with Nora (section
Gr.1 P.411) named after his
Grandfather.
Letter from
O'Connell: Talking about Denis
Scannell
As far as Jim
Knows he had no siblings. He had a
cousin Timothy Scannell who had 3
children, Helen, Tim and ? (I think this would Elizabeth Anne - The cousin would be Timothy who married Carey, The
Helen is Sr. Helen). Tim lived in
the Bronx. He also had a cousin Nellie Cashman, she
lived in Spring Valley. She had a son member of NYCPD - Emerald
Society. He would be in his 60's,
lives near Sterling Forest.
Denis was born
in County Kerry, Ireland. He was a
member of the Irish Republican
Army. He lived some where near the
Cliffords - Milltown Store. He was active in the fighting in the
1920's. Nora's brother, Mike
Clifford, was also with the
IRA. He got shot and Denis carried
him on his back up one moutnain and
down another until he eventually found a Doctor who would treat Mike. Denis saved Mike's life. Both men were wanted
by the British Government which put a
price on their heads. This
may have been why they came to the US.
During World War II the
British Government granted them amnesty.
Denis was an
exceptionally good Irish football player.
He played on a County Kerry
team as well as in All Star Championship games in the Polo Grounds and Yankee Stadium and a Gaelic Park in
Queens. If you or anyone else have
Nora's old trunk it should contain
clippings, ribbons etc. of his triumphs.
Page 18 of 32 Wednesday, June 24, 2009 9:29:42 AM
Register Report for Scannells from Douglas
Generation 4 (con't)
He drove a truck for Reaves' grocery stores until he got sick. Then he worked for a time at the Cloisters.
There was another relative, there name was Madigan. Their daughter became a judge in NYC. She was the one that sponsored Timmy for the bar examination. Not sure whether it was the mother's or father's side but some how there was a family connection.
Nora Clifford - Father James Clifford, Mother Mary Sullivan
She came from a large family in County Kerry. There were 4 girls Mary Hannah, Nora, Nell and 6 boys Jerry, Pat, Jim, Daniel, Mike and Tim (twins).
A Sullivan first cousin had 4 children (Maureen, Norean, Mike and Tim all redheads.
Mary (Jim's Mother) died in 1920 of the flu. 2 children -
Jim married Jeonette and had 6 children Mary Jean, Kathleen, James, Donald, Dennis and Kevin.
Maurice - married Marion Grab - had 3 children Maurice, Joseph and Clare. Jerry - was a NYC policeman - no children
Patrick - worked for 5th Ave Coach Co - Bachelor
Jim - Married Mary had 2 daughters - Maureen and Noreen
Mike - Died in Wahington DC - body sent back to Ireland where he was given a heroes funeral
1 daughter - now dead
1 grandaughter lives in Boston
Tim - has a daughter Mary Clifford in Waterbury, CT rest of his children in Ireland Daniel - bachelor
Nell - Married a Clifford - went back to Ireland. Family should still be living around Milltown
Hannah - no info.
Denis and Nora were married in St. Gregory's - 90th st, around 1929 both buried in Gate of Heaven.
Address when married was 100W 89th St. (Marriage certificate). THis address was also the one used in immigration papers in July 1928. He must have left and then came back because he
Came to US before 1925 (Kerry Football picture in NY) and 1929(married). Seamus also said that he did come back to Ireland once after he left. When Dad was born the address was: 136 West 90th St. Dad was born at the hospital at 130 East 69th St.
Aunt Cathy said they use to visit them at 602 West 184th St. New York, this is also on his death certificate. (this is where Dad lived when he was married to mom according to marriage certificate).
St. Elizabeth Church was their Church in NY.
He worked for the NY Parks Dept in NY near the George Washington Bridge. Abereidon?
Confirmed date of birth from certificate with Ellen Casey as mom, 8/20/1898! Cemetary and death certificate has the wrong birth date 8/20/1888 inistead of 1898. The tombstone says 1898-1961 which is correct.
His marriage certificate says he was 29 in 1929 and 30 on Dad's birth certificate. I think he was using the birth date of his cousin Denis Scannell who died young and was born on November 4, 1899 to Timothy Scannell and Ellen Coffey to avoid the IRA?
Page 19 of 32 Wednesday, June 24, 2009 9:29:42 AM
Register Report for Scannells from Douglas
Generation 4 (con't)
Denis was very close with Timothy Scannell (who married Coffey)'s son Timothy Scannell. He is the Godfather of his daughter Sr. Helen
Came to NY through Canada. I have immigration records. a
email from Seamus in regards to Denis' Birth Certificate, Aug 2, 2002:
The phone rang again,and it was Mary from the first office,and she had rang the Civil Registeration Office In Killarney (where I got the last cert),
and didnt they find the correct cert for Denis. He was born 20th August 1898. I was going into Killarney and I went in and now I have it. It was Ellen herself that informed the office on the 30th Sept 1898,and it was
signed with an X ,her mark.She probably could not write either.
His birth infomation is:
Ref: 1898, Killarney, September qtr., 5-247
His mom Ellen registered the birth herself on Sept 30, 1898 who signed with a mark.The record states that: Denis Scannell was born on 20 August 1898 at Coolroe which is in the registration district of Milltown in the Union of Killarney, Co. Kerry. His father was Timothy Scannell, Farmer, Coolroe
His marriage certificate says he was a clerk. His death certificate says he was a Guard.
ii.
John Scannell. He was born on
10 Feb 1895 in Coolroe, Kilbonane Parish,
County Kerry. He married Hannah Burkett. They were married 1943. He died
on 24 Feb 1982 in County kerry,
Ireland.
Notes for John Scannell: General Notes:
He is buried with his wife Hannah near the church in Listry. Their parish use to be called Kilbonane, now its Listry and its part of the Milltown Parish. Named after his Uncle John (Tim's brother)
iii.
Ellen Scannell. She was born
Bet. 1896–1897. She died in Wright Island,
England. Burial in England.
Notes for Ellen
Scannell: General Notes:
According to
Seamus died in her 20's never
married. Ellen was 15 in 1911.
iv.
Jane Scannell. She was born
Abt. 1901. She died on 11 Nov 1944 in Killarney Hospital, County Kerry, Ireland. Burial
in Killorglin Graveyard possibly?.
Notes for Jane
Scannell: General Notes: Seamus:
Died in her
mid 40's never married.
I was asking my
neighbour about my Aunt Jane,he
told me she died in Killarney
Hospital around 1943/44 when she was in her mid 40's.
Seamus:
A neighbour of Janes who knew her,told me she was alive when my
Page 20 of 32 Wednesday, June 24, 2009 9:29:42 AM
Register Report for Scannells from Douglas
Generation 4 (con't)
mother and father got married in1943, so Lorraine went into the Registry office,and they found her date of death It was Nov.11th 1944,age 36...
They only have them in the books,andit takes ages to get them if you dont be near the right date. We are all looking forward to yere home comming...REason for death - Leukemia/Cancer.
11.
John Scannell-4 (Denis
Scannell-3, William Scannell-2, Scannells from Douglas-1). He was born Abt. 1860 in Killarney?. He died 1914 in
Douglas.
Notes for John
Scannell: General Notes:
John Scannell
as a witness to Timothy and Ellen's marriage
John took over
lot 3b in 1913. This could be the
John. John was removed from the
land in 1914 back to his brother
Michael Denis.
Summary by
lots: Lot 3B
1853 Denis
Scannell
1880 James
Scannell - not sure where he is coming from? 1882 Denis Scannell Back to original
Denis
1886
Denis Scannell - original 1853?
1909 Michael
Denis
1913 John
Scannell
1914 Michael
D. Scannell
1926
Catherine
1959
Timothy Denis M 1961 Kathleen
1974
Catherine Scannell
1974 lot 3b
was split up to
3b1 - Catherine
Scannell was in the house; house is still in valuation records but ruined. 3b2 John B. Costelloe was on the land
then to John C. Costello 1976
Today:
3b1 -
Catherine Scannell
3b2 - John C.
Costello
I need to
look in Vol 7 for the marriage of these two in Killarney. Not there.
There was a John
Scannell that was a witness at Timothy and Ellen Casey's wedding. Brother makes sense.
Margaret Shea is
the wife. The first son is Denis
which would be named after his dad.
Then the other sons were
named after brothers. The first
dauther is Mary which could be his mom.
If Mgt Shea is
the mom then Denis is born 3/5/1887 in Killarney (michael and Hannah
Scannell were witnesses - his
brother and sister?) and TImothy born 6/7/1891 in Boherkeale. There is a street in Killarney named Boherkeale... If this is the case why would John be on
in Douglas in 1913? Maybe the John on the land is John
married Foley?
-----Original
Message-----
From:
seamusscannell@unison.ie [mailto:seamusscannell@unison.ie] Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2003 2:46
PM To: paulscannell@cox.net
Page 21 of 32 Wednesday, June 24, 2009 9:29:42 AM
Register Report for Scannells from Douglas
Generation 4 (con't)
Subject: Thursday
Paul.
Just got your email.Tullorum is near Killarney.The Lynes said that their
family came from near Killarney. John Lynes mother was Ellen Scannell who was a daughter of John Scannell,Ellen also had brothers and sisters,Mollie (or Mary),Maggie,Nora, Tady (or Timothy),Mick and Denny.
Dont it look very likely, that that John Scannell would be a brother of our
Timothy. There is a street at the side of the shop where I work,called Bohercaol,It is the Irish for narrow street.I dont know of any Townland called Boherkeale.What did you find about that. Suzanne moved into her new home to-day. I didnt see Lorraine since,but I will find out what part of the U.S. she is going to for the week at the end of March. I had an email from Shelly. No other news from here. Greeting to all the family.
Seamus
This could be because there was a John that was a witness at Timothy/ Casey wedding. Name confirmed from Lyne.
Hi Paul.
Hope all is well there,we are all fine here,the nights are getting dark very
early now,it was dark at 6.30 this evening,and next weekend we put back the clocks one hour for winter time,which means it will get dark at 5.30,do ye do the same in the U.S. Back to our cousins,that man came
into me to-day for his machine. His name is Pat Lyne,he still didnt have his grand mother's (Scannell) first name,but he is going to get his
father to ring me,his father name is John Lyne a son of the Scannell
woman,and she would be a first cousin of your Denis and my father. Pat Lyne met the John Scannell near Cahirciveen,and this is what they came
up with. John Scannell's father name was Denis Scannell,this Denis is a sister of The Scannell woman( no first name), who is mother of John Lyne.
And then Denis Scannell and his sister The Scannell woman's father's name was John Scannell,this John then would be a brother to our Timothy
married to Casey. Pat Lyne said his Aunt was good at tracing relations and asked me to call there sometime to trash it all out He said he would like to meet you too when you come here. We are getting there slowly,I must try and find out who that John (brother of our Tim) was married to. I hope this email is not too confusing, and I am explaning it proparly.
Looking forward to hearing from you give our regards to all the family Take Care
Seamus
Paul.
Thanks for the email,I was wondering myself if there was a 3rd brother of
Timothy and John,but I doubt it very much.I always heard my father talking about his relations from his father's side,but I am sure that they are from
his uncle (John),whether there was any sisters now I am not too sure,hopefully now someone from The Lyne family can help us out. Mary in Douglas wouldnt be too far away from where the Lyne's live,and they would always be buying cattle from each other,so that is where the
connection is there. I gave the list of decendants of Michael Scannell / Corkerry to Pat Lyne,he will show them to his Aunt and his father she could they make any connection,I also showed them to Mary in Douglas she said that they probably the other Scannell family as she thought there was priest's in that family. We will wait now to hear from the Lyne family.
I rang John Lyne to night,and I think maybe he added to the confusion
Page 22 of 32 Wednesday, June 24, 2009 9:29:42 AM
Register Report for Scannells from Douglas
Generation 4 (con't)
about our relations.He didnt know too much,but he said his grand father John Scannell,came from Killarney and not Douglas,His Mothers name was Ellie(Ellen),His aunts were Mollie (another name for Mary),Maggie and Nora.
His Uncles wereTady (Tim),Mick, and Denis,This Denis is the father of John Scannell on the Ring of Kerry. He said the most of his uncles and Aunts went to America. I asked him about Katty Scannell in Douglas,and he said she was a First Cousin of his Mothers,Katty was a first cousin of my fathers,so would that mean that there was another brother for our Tim(married to Casey),and the the John Scannell,grand father of Lynes.Maybe you are right with the Michael Scannell that you thought was
Tims brother.John Lyne said he wouldask more questions and let me know. (Yes, I was right here, this makes sense.
Margaret Shea.
Notes for Margaret Shea: General Notes:
This is definetly Margaret SHea I found all 7 children that match the names that Seamus gave me in Vol 14.
John Scannell and Margaret Shea. They had 7 children.
i.
Denis Scannell. He was born on 05 Mar 1887 in
Killarney.
Notes for Denis
Scannell: General Notes:
Vol 14 pg
190. Hannah Scannell and Michael
Scannell were witnesses.
John's siblings?
Denis, first
born, named after his grandfather.
I rang John Lyne
to night,and I think maybe he added to the confusion about our relations.He didnt know too
much,but he said his grand father John
Scannell,came from Killarney and not Douglas,His Mothers name was Ellie (Ellen),His aunts were Mollie (another
name for Mary),Maggie and Nora. His
Uncles wereTady (Tim),Mick, and Denis,This Denis is the father of John Scannell on the Ring of Kerry. He
said the most of his uncles and
Aunts went to America. I asked him about Katty Scannell in
Douglas,and he
said she was a First Cousin of his Mothers,Katty was a first cousin of my fathers,so would that mean
that there was another brother for
our Tim(married to Casey),and the the John Scannell,grand father of Lynes.Maybe you are right with the
Michael Scannell that you thought was
Tims
brother.John Lyne said he wouldask more questions and let me know. (Yes, I was right here, this makes sense.
ii.
Ellen Scannell. She was born on 17 Sep 1892 in
Killarney.
Page 23 of 32 Wednesday, June 24, 2009 9:29:42 AM
Register Report for Scannells from Douglas
Generation 4 (con't)
Notes for Ellen Scannell: General Notes:
I rang John Lyne to night,and I think maybe he added to the confusion about our relations.He didnt know too much,but he said his grand father John Scannell,came from Killarney and not Douglas,His Mothers name was Ellie (Ellen),His aunts were Mollie (another name for Mary),Maggie and Nora. His Uncles wereTady (Tim),Mick, and Denis,This Denis is the father of John Scannell on the Ring of Kerry. He said the most of his uncles and Aunts went to America. I asked him about Katty Scannell in
Douglas,and he said she was a First Cousin of his Mothers,Katty was a first cousin of my fathers,so would that mean that there was another brother for our Tim(married to Casey),and the the John Scannell,grand father of Lynes.Maybe you are right with the Michael Scannell that you thought was
Tims brother.John Lyne said he wouldask more questions and let me know. (Yes, I was right here, this makes sense.
thay also had Jeremiah born Jan 5, 1967 pg 282 same place.
iii.
Nora Scannell. She was born on 11 Jan 1894 in
Killarney.
Notes for Nora
Scannell: General Notes:
Vol 14 pg 234
James Shea / Mary Shea Witnesses.
iv.
Timothy Scannell. He was born on 07 Jun 1891 in
Boherkeale.
Notes for
Timothy Scannell: General Notes:
Vol 14 pg 217
Pat and Nora Querin witnesses to birth.
There was a Timothy Scannell
that was 23 in 1914 that came to new york to stay with cousin Patrick Cashman. The nearest relative from Ireland was
Mr. and Mrs. Jeremiah Scannell
killarney. See immigration
records on hard drive. Place of
birth Killarney , last place
of residence Killarney. Actually,
it says Mother, Mrs. Jeremiah Scannell.
THe boat came in in May 1914 his birthday was June so he would have
been only 22. This is not the right one.
v.
Mary (Mollie) Scannell. She was born on 15 Mar 1890 in
Boherkeale.
Notes for Mary
(Mollie) Scannell: General Notes:
Vol 14 pg
209 Daniel and Bridget Brosnan
witnesses to birth. There was a Mary that came to ny age 23 in 1913 with
father John from Listowel? Ellis
island records..h
vi.
Margaret "Maggie" Scannell. She was born on 08 Jun 1897.
Notes for
Margaret "Maggie" Scannell: General
Notes:
Vol 14 pg
258 Ellen Donohue and Jeremiah
Meara were witnesses. Born Margaret Mary Scannell
Page 24 of 32 Wednesday, June 24, 2009 9:29:42 AM
Register Report for Scannells from Douglas
Generation 4 (con't)
vii.
Michael Scannell. He was born on 09 Sep 1888 in
Boherkeale.
Notes for
Michael Scannell: General Notes:
Vol 14 pg 200
james Shea witness
I found
immigration papers but, it has father Jeremiah, staying with Brother John at the same address that Timothy stayed
with cousin Patrick Cashman.
Both ages were 1 year
off. They could have asked just
birth year and that would give the
right age for both.
12.
Mary Scannell-4 (Denis
Scannell-3, William Scannell-2, Scannells from Douglas-1). She was born Abt. 1856 in 1911 census.
Notes for Mary
Scannell: General Notes:
There is a Mary
Scannell in the 1911 Census. Her
age is 55 in 1911 which makes her born in
1856. It says that
Michael is the landlord so, I think this is Michael her brother.
In the 1901
census she is living with her parents and single. Age 45.
She may not have
married Daniel Kissane. But there
was a Daniel Kissane as a witness to
Timothy and Ellen's marriage
Hi Paul.
John Lyne rang me to night,before I got your email.I asked him if he knew his grandmothers name,that would be Ellen Scannell's mother,but he didnt know.When I mentioned that you had Shea and Kissane married to John Scannell,he said it could be Kissane. There was a Danny Kissane living in Killorglin (now dead),who was related to my father, John Lyne said to me tonight that Danny's father was a first cousin of his mother Ellen,and thats why he thought his grandmother was Kissane.But sure that wouldnt leave
Danny Kissane related to my father,or would it. I think Danny was a cousin of my fathers and that his grandmother was Scannell maybe a sister of John,Timothy and Michael,I must ask Mary Walsh about that.
Daniel (Guess) Kissane.
Notes for Daniel (Guess) Kissane: General Notes:
There was a Daniel Kissane as a witness to Tim and Ellen's marriage. John Scannell Timothy's brother was the other witness. It makes sense that his sister's husband would be the other witness.
Daniel (Guess) Kissane and Mary Scannell. They had 3 children.
i.
Danny Kissane.
Notes for Danny
Kissane: General Notes:
possibly: Daniel Kissane
Male ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Page 25 of 32 Wednesday, June 24, 2009 9:29:42 AM
Register Report for Scannells from Douglas
Generation 4 (con't)
Event(s):
Birth: 16 JUL 1874 Killarney, Killorglin, Kerry, Ireland
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
|
Parents: |
|
|
Father: |
Daniel Kissane Family |
|
Mother: |
Johanna Sullivan |
Hi Paul.
John Lyne rang me to night,before I got your email.I asked him if he knew his grandmothers name,that would be Ellen Scannell's mother,but he didnt know.When I mentioned that you had Shea and Kissane married to John Scannell,he said it could be Kissane. There was a Danny Kissane living in Killorglin (now dead),who was related to my father, John Lyne said to me tonight that Danny's father was a first cousin of his mother Ellen,and thats why he thought his grandmother was Kissane.But sure that wouldnt leave Danny Kissane related to my father,or would it. I think Danny was a cousin of my fathers and that his grandmother was Scannell maybe a sister of John,Timothy and Michael,I must ask Mary Walsh about that.
ii.
Patrick Cashman.
Notes for
Patrick Cashman: General Notes:
There was a Tim
Scannell that came to NY to stay with cousin Patrick Cashman in NY. I believe this Tim was the son of John
and Margaret Shea.
iii.
Nellie Cashman.
Notes for Nellie
Cashman: General Notes:
Aunt Cathy
remembers her and her son Donald.
I just found out
that Cashman is an anglicized version of Kissane. There was a Daniel Kissane as a witness to Timothy
and Ellen's wedding. Seamus told
me his dad had a cousin Danny
Kissane in Killorglin and the letter from Aut Cathy said that Denis had a cousin Nellie
Cashman.
Ellen CASHMAN Birth Date: 15 Jan 1895 Death Date: 18 Jan 1993
Social Security Number: 098-01-1457
State or Territory Where Number Was Issued: New York
Death Residence Localities
ZIP Code: 11570
Localities: Lakeview, Nassau, New York
Rockville Center, Nassau, New York
Rockville Centre, Nassau, New York
Rockville Ctr, Nassau, New York
Ellen CASHMAN
Birth Date: 8 Jun 1901
Death Date: 3 Jul 1990
Social Security Number: 112-18-5917
Page 26 of 32 Wednesday, June 24, 2009 9:29:42 AM
Register Report for Scannells from Douglas
Generation 4 (con't)
State or Territory Where Number Was Issued: New York
Elaine CASHMAN Birth Date: 2 Aug 1922 Death Date: Aug 1982
Social Security Number: 112-20-1995
State or Territory Where Number Was Issued: New York
Death Residence Localities
ZIP Code: 12550
Localities: Balmville, Orange, New York
Middle Hope, Orange, New York
Newburgh, Orange, New York
Roseton, Orange, New York
Town, Orange, New York
West Newburgh, Orange, New York
There was a Patrick Cashman that Ellis Island records show had Scannell cousins coming to stay with him. THis could be Nellie's dad?
Patrick CASHMAN Birth Date: 10 Sep 1890 Death Date: Dec 1983
Social Security Number: 072-01-2322
State or Territory Where Number Was Issued: New York
Death Residence Localities
ZIP Code: 10591
Localities: Mount Pleasant, Westchester, New York
North Tarrytown, Westchester, New York
Philipse Manor, Westchester, New York
Pocantico Hills, Westchester, New York
Sleepy Hollow Manor, Westchester, New York
Tarrytown, Westchester, New York
13.
Johanna Scannell-4 (Denis
Scannell-3, William Scannell-2, Scannells from Douglas-1). She was born Abt. 1859 in Doughlas, Killorglin
Parish, County Kerry.
Notes for
Johanna Scannell: General Notes:
There was a John
and Johanna McKenna in the 1911 census.
She was 52 he was 54. They
had a daughter Johanna who was 13 which makes
her birthdate ~ 1898.
There was a
Joanna Scannell who was the Godmother of Michael's son Denis. This could be the one...aunt would make sense. Could be Grandmother...
There also was a
Hannah which was the witness to John and Margaret Shea's son Denis. Also with Denis the other witness was
Michael. This would make Aunt and
Uncle to father the witnesses. This makes sense. Also Seamus said that the Daniel Foley
he met had a grandmother that was
Hannah Scannell with Brother Jeremiah.
I was back to
Douglas last nite,and I met a relation of the 3rd Scannell
Page 27 of 32 Wednesday, June 24, 2009 9:29:42 AM
Register Report for Scannells from Douglas
Generation 4 (con't)
family,he says all the 3 Scannells are related, His Grandmother was Johanna Scannell (she had a brother Jerry) and she married McKenna,and their daughter Johanna married Foley and would be parents of the man I met last nite..
I asked him if he had any idea who our Denis was married to,and he said it
might be Mary Shea,you had that too. He was to the Church in Killorglin and Mary told him it was one of the priest's that burned some of the records. I gave him your email, as his wife has a computer,and ye might be able to sort out some more information.
His own name and Adress is Daniel Foley
30 Louds Court, Abington Ma.02351.
John McKenna. He was born Abt. 1857.
Notes for John McKenna: General Notes:
1911 census has a Guessing on John. There was a John and Johanna McKenna in the 1911 census. She was 52 he was 54. They had a daughter Johanna who was 13 which makes her birthdate ~ 1898.
He is the McKenna on Lot 3c?
John McKenna and Johanna Scannell. They had 1 child.
i.
Johanna McKenna. She was born
Abt. 1898 in Doughlas, Killorglin Parish,
County Kerry.
Notes for
Johanna McKenna: General Notes:
1911 census has
a Guessing on John. There was a
John and Johanna McKenna in the
1911 census. She was 52 he was
54. They had a daughter Johanna
who was 13 which makes her
birthdate ~ 1898.
He is the
McKenna on Lot 3c?
14.
Jeremiah Scannell-4 (Michael
Scannell-3, Andreas Scannell-2, Scannells from Douglas-1). He was born Abt. 1820. He died Abt. 1888 in
Douglas.
Notes for
Jeremiah Scannell: General Notes:
Paul
The marriage
records of the early 19th century do not give the names of the parents of the
bride and groom but do give the
witnesses.
In the case of
the marriage of Jeremiah Scannell and Catherine Sheehan, the witnesses were John Sheehan, Michael Scannell and
Edmund Sheehan.
Regards Mary
This makes me
believe that Michael could have been Jeremiah's dad. But there is no Jeremiah born to Michael and Mary Kerrisk in the
church records. There is a son of Jeremiah named
Page 28 of 32 Wednesday, June 24, 2009 9:29:43 AM
Register Report for Scannells from Douglas
Generation 4 (con't)
Michael and a daughter named Mary (named after grandfather/grandmother). No William as a child. Issue is that Michael and Mary have a number of children in the church records but none of them are Jeremiah. Also, there is a Denis born in 1821 and Jeremiah is born after so, why is he getting the land?
Lot 6B
1853 Jeremiah Scannell (this is Jeremiah)
1888 Timothy Scannell
1895 6a,b,c,d were renumbered
6cd - John Coffey (now called 6Ba) John was also on 6a 6b Timothy Scannell (now called 6ABbc)
1906 6ABbc Timothy Scannell- no longer belonging to Sir R. Blunnerhassett 1926 6ABbc Ellen Scannell
1932 resized
1943 6ABbc Andrew Scannell
1975 6ABbc Mr and Mrs James Walsh
1975 Also 6BA - Stephen and Jeremiah Coffey to John Coffey Today:
6ABbc - Mary Walsh 6BA - John Coffey 7,8,9 - JC Costello.
Denis and Michael (land owners 1834) both had sons named Andrew. Also Jeremiah, son of William) had an Andrew as a son. Just a coincidence? Or could this be the landowners dad's name?
Also Jeremiah, son of William, took over lots 6c and 6d in 1860 he left the house for John Clifford.
Mary Scannell was on 6c then transfered to Timothy Scannell but no record of transfer. He is plan of record in 1860.
6d was John Sheahan then to Jeremiah in 1859. Then it was Andrew as plan of record in 1860. Then Jeremiah took over soon after and left house for Clifford.
I believe that John Sheahan was Catherine (his wife's) dad and Jeremiah took over the land. Patrick Sheahan may have been John's brother and lived longer.
Jeremiah Scannell & Catherine Sheehan12/2/1839 (This was one of 31 marriages on celebrated on that date!)
John Sheehan Michael Scannell Edward Sheehan
Catherine Sheehan is the daughter of John Sheehan. Her birth Bet. Apr 1815–Mar 1816 in Doughlas, Killorglin Parish, County Kerry (According to 1901 census).
Notes for Catherine Sheehan: General Notes:
THere was a John Sheehan on lot 6d in 1858, this transfered to Jeremiah Scannell 1858/1859. Catherine could be related to John Sheehan. Jeremiah being Catherine's husband.
According to 1901 census she was 85 in 1901 living with son Timothy and his wife Ellen. She was born about 1816.
Page 29 of 32 Wednesday, June 24, 2009 9:29:43 AM
Register Report for Scannells from Douglas
Generation 4 (con't)
-----Original Message-----
From: St. James Parish [mailto:killorglinparish@eircom.net] Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2004 1:58 AM To: paulscannell@cox.net
Subject: Scanell Family Paul
As promised - albeit a bit later than anticipated!
The marriage records of the early 19th century do not give the names of the parents of the bride and groom but do give the witnesses.
In the case of the marriage of Jeremiah Scannell and Catherine Sheehan, the witnesses were John Sheehan, Michael Scannell and Edmund Sheehan.
Hope that fills in another piece of the jigsaw! Regards
Mary Clifford
The Michael Scannell could be the father, brother or cousin.?
Jeremiah Scannell and Catherine Sheehan. They were married on 12 Feb 1839 in St. James Parish, Killorglin County Kerry. They had 8 children.
i.
Timothy "Thady" Scannell. He was born on
24 Mar 1849 in Douglas. He married
Ellen Coffey. They were married on 01 Jan 1888 in Killoglin, County Kerry. He died 1917 in Killorglin,
County Kerry. He was also known as Thady.
Notes for
Timothy "Thady" Scannell: General
Notes:
From 1911
Census: Timothy (61), Ellen (44), Dermot (22), Michael (20), Katie (18), Timothy (14), Mary (13), Andrew
(8), Patrick (7), Julia (2).
Lot 6B
1853 Jeremiah
Scannell (this is Jeremiah)
1888 Timothy
Scannell
1895 6a,b,c,d
were renumbered
6cd - John
Coffey (now called 6Ba) John was
also on 6a 6b Timothy Scannell (now called
6ABbc)
1906 6ABbc Timothy Scannell- no longer belonging to
Sir R. Blunnerhassett 1926 6ABbc
Ellen Scannell
1932 resized
1943 6ABbc
Andrew Scannell
1975 6ABbc Mr
and Mrs James Walsh
1975 Also 6BA -
Stephen and Jeremiah Coffey to John Coffey
Today:
6ABbc - Mary
Walsh 6BA - John Coffey 7,8,9 - JC Costello.
Denis and
Michael (land owners 1834) both had sons named Andrew. Also Jeremiah, son of William) had an Andrew
as a son. Just a coincidence? Or
could this be the landowners dad's name?
Also Jeremiah,
son of William, took over lots 6c and 6d in 1860 he left the house for John Clifford.
Page 30 of 32 Wednesday, June 24, 2009 9:29:43 AM
Register Report for Scannells from Douglas
Generation 4 (con't)
Mary Scannell was on 6c then transfered to Timothy Scannell but no record of transfer. He is plan of record in 1860.
6d was John Sheahan then to Jeremiah in 1859. Then it was Andrew as plan of record in 1860. Then Jeremiah took over soon after and left house for Clifford. I believe that John Sheahan was Catherine (his wife's) dad and Jeremiah took over the land. Patrick Sheahan may have been John's brother and lived longer.
Per Sr. Helen's Tree, Timothy married Bridge Cookey who died without any offspring. THen he married Ellen Coffey.
Scannells in Kiloglin Author: Edward Margerum Surnames: Scannell, Coffey
I am searching for information on John Scannell (d. ca 1914) and his wife, Ellen (Eileen) Coffey of Douglas, Kilorglin, County Kerry who had 13 children: Dennis, Edward, Gerald, John, Kathleen, Mary (Mamie), Michael, Stephen, Timothy, Sheila (Julia), Siobhan, Paddy and Andrew, all born between 1890-1914. Gerry and Mick died in Queensland before 1947. Tim and Paddy died in New York before 1970 where Sheila still lives. Mamie and Stephen died in Ireland where Andy still lives. The rest died before maturity. They also had an adopted son, John Griffin of whom nothing is known. I can supply much information forward but nothing back from John and Ellen. Any information would be appreciated.
He may be buried in the same grave as his son. Timothy Scannell in the Killorglin graveyard. (Dromavally) Terry told me that they had to move his remains to get Tim (1967) in.
Lived in Douglas when his son Denis was born (1899). The death date is 1914 according to Ed. A farmer, he brought and owned the family farm in Kilorglin, County Kerry, Ireland. It has been said that he was not originally from the Kilorglin area. (not sure about this - Paul)
ii.
Andrew Scannell.
Notes for Andrew
Scannell: General Notes: Named after great uncle?
iii.
Michael Scannell. He was born on 06 Jan 1863 in
Killorglin.
Notes for
Michael Scannell: General
Notes: Named after Grandfather?
Emigrated to
Australia in 1883? Possibly with a
brother.
iv.
Margaret Scannell.
v.
Mary Scannell. She was born
on 21 Aug 1842 in Douglas. She died on 01 Apr 1921 in Mount Falvey,
Williamstown, County Cork.
Notes for Mary
Scannell: General Notes:
Page 31 of 32 Wednesday, June 24, 2009 9:29:43 AM
Register Report for Scannells from Douglas
Generation 4 (con't)
Church record on birth, Maria. She could be named after mother.
vi.
Jeremiah Scannell.
Notes for
Jeremiah Scannell: General Notes:
Named after
father? Would be the 3rd son.
vii.
Denis Scannell. He was born 1848. He died 1882.
Notes for Denis
Scannell: General Notes:
Also this
tombstone in Killorglin:
Erected by T.J.
Scannell, in loving memory of his father Denis, died 1882 aged 34 years. RIP
viii.
Joanna Scannell. She was born on 28 Mar 1845 in
Douglas.
Notes for Joanna
Scannell: General Notes: Chuch record on birth
Sources
1
jmuller.ged, Date of Import: Sep 5,
2002.
2
muller.FTW, Date of Import: Oct 16,
2002.
3
Scannell
Douglas.FTW, Date of Import: Dec 29, 2005.
4
casey.FTW, Date of Import: Jun 30,
2002.
